Wyoming GOP Chair Floats Secession

[Wandering Monk]

Well, that was unexpected. Even Steve Bannon won't go that far.

Wyoming GOP chairman floats secession after Cheney votes to impeach Trump

 

[Audie]

Everything is spinning seemingly
out of control

California Secede? One Group Got a Key Approval Last Week to Try | San Jose Inside

 

[Nakosis]

Well, that was unexpected. Even Steve Bannon won't go that far.

Wyoming GOP chairman floats secession after Cheney votes to impeach Trump

Do you think the Feds would allow the secession by any state?
Personally, I suspect the current government is too authoritarian to allow this.

 

[sun rise]

Everything is spinning seemingly
out of control

California Secede? One Group Got a Key Approval Last Week to Try | San Jose Inside

As the article points out, this is nothing new. And it's going nowhere in any state.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Everything is spinning seemingly
out of control

California Secede? One Group Got a Key Approval Last Week to Try | San Jose Inside

Good riddance. Include the People's Republic of New York as well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As the article points out, this is nothing new. And it's going nowhere in any state.

It does carry that Quebec flavor.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you think the Feds would allow the secession by any state?
Personally, I suspect the current government is too authoritarian to allow this.

Probably, but look at Russia.

 

[esmith]

Do you think the Feds would allow the secession by any state?
Personally, I suspect the current government is too authoritarian to allow this.

As much as I don't see it happing nor support it you are wrong in assuming that the "Feds" can stop it. That is unless you consider US Congress is the "Feds". In addition if Congress approves it still takes 3/4 of all the States legislature to approve.
From: Could States Really Secede from the Union?
What a state (or states) can do, however, is begin the process of seeking a mutually agreed upon parting of the ways, and that process clearly exists, set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in its 1868 ruling in Texas v. White. That ruling concluded that a state (or states) could secede by gaining approval of both houses of Congress and then obtaining ratification by three fourths of the nation's legislatures. In other words, it's a tough task.

 

[Nakosis]

As much as I don't see it happing nor support it you are wrong in assuming that the "Feds" can stop it. That is unless you consider US Congress is the "Feds". In addition if Congress approves it still takes 3/4 of all the States legislature to approve.
From: Could States Really Secede from the Union?
What a state (or states) can do, however, is begin the process of seeking a mutually agreed upon parting of the ways, and that process clearly exists, set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in its 1868 ruling in Texas v. White. That ruling concluded that a state (or states) could secede by gaining approval of both houses of Congress and then obtaining ratification by three fourths of the nation's legislatures. In other words, it's a tough task.

Wasn't this what the civil war was about?
I'd assume the Fed would again call the military to action under the command of the Commander in Chief. Would the Feds allow it? I don't see why they would.
Yes if Congress agrees. Don't see that happening. Too many folks wanting to control what the other guy is doing.

Revolution as mentioned would have to be suppressed by the Federal government.

 

[Left Coast]

Well, that was unexpected. Even Steve Bannon won't go that far.

Wyoming GOP chairman floats secession after Cheney votes to impeach Trump

Oh pleeeeease let them secede. 2 fewer Republican senators to deal with. I suspect they'd quickly regret their decision, though.

 

[Wu Wei]

So you want to secede from the U.S.: A four-step guide

 

[esmith]

Wasn't this what the civil war was about?
I'd assume the Fed would again call the military to action under the command of the Commander in Chief. Would the Feds allow it? I don't see why they would.

First the only law that allows the President to deploy the U.S. military within the United States is the Insurrection Act of 1807 and only to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. Therefore a state taking legal means to secede does not meet the criteria to invoke the Insurrection Act.
There is no armed sucession just a state or states asking to leave the Union by legal means.

 

[esmith]

So you want to secede from the U.S.: A four-step guide

Sorry that is opinion only not factual.

 

[Wandering Monk]

First the only law that allows the President to deploy the U.S. military within the United States is the Insurrection Act of 1807 and only to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. Therefore a state taking legal means to secede does not meet the criteria to invoke the Insurrection Act.
There is no armed sucession just a state or states asking to leave the Union by legal means.

The President can deploy troops to Federal property anytime he wishes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think the Feds would allow the secession by any state?
Personally, I suspect the current government is too authoritarian to allow this.

They won't really try.
After what happened to the last states who tried to
secede, they'd be foolish to do more than just bloviate.

 

[esmith]

The President can deploy troops to Federal property anytime he wishes.

No he can't. The Posse Comitatus Act comes into play.
The Posse Comitatus Act > U.S. Northern Command > Article View

 

[Nakosis]

They won't really try.
After what happened to the last states who tried to
secede, they'd be foolish to do more than just bloviate.

I'm hoping to retire soon so I can spend much more time bloviating.

Trump IMO was the master of bloviating. Trump could bloviate in a few words and the world would lose its mind. To have that kind of power over people would be awesome or at least semi-entertaining.
He was such a master, they had to deplatform him to save the world.

 

[Nakosis]

First the only law that allows the President to deploy the U.S. military within the United States is the Insurrection Act of 1807 and only to suppress civil disorder, insurrection, or rebellion. Therefore a state taking legal means to secede does not meet the criteria to invoke the Insurrection Act.
There is no armed sucession just a state or states asking to leave the Union by legal means.

I understand, I just don't believe Congress would ever allow legal succession.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm hoping to retire soon so I can spend much more time bloviating.

Trump IMO was the master of bloviating. Trump could bloviate in a few words and the world would lose its mind. To have that kind of power over people would be awesome or at least semi-entertaining.
He was such a master, they had to deplatform him to save the world.

Trump is incompetent even at bloviating.
Per the definition, he had the boastful part down,
but he's too inarticulate to achieve pomposity.

 

[Vinayaka]

Why is it that people celebrated at the breakup of the USSR, but then think it's a horrible thing if the US were to do something similar? Both start with 'United'.