dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Lol. Hey now, Carter was a Democrat, and he wasn't after the Muslims anyway. We were demonizing the Russians then.
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With Any Luck, Santorum Will Win the Nomination
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Lol. Hey now, Carter was a Democrat, and he wasn't after the Muslims anyway. We were demonizing the Russians then.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Wow, you think a certain group of people are stingy?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You're right. That evangelical Christian did more to help the Muslims than hurt them.Lol. Hey now, Carter was a Democrat, and he wasn't after the Muslims anyway. We were demonizing the Russians then.
I think we're demonizing a different "R" word here huh?We were demonizing the Russians then.
The ancient term wasn't used regarding any particular group that I know of.
Revoltifarians are stingy though.
And we are unashamed.
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
My bad. I thought you were refering to dark-skinned Scandinavians.
Well, some of them could be revolting, eh?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Stingieness is revolting.
You touch on something here that has been a long evolving and overlooked fault with democracy and politics-as-ususal in this (and any) country. In any general election there's never more than roughly a 60/40 split to determine who will be Commander In Chief. Most often barely more than half our population determines the President. While the majority of the other almost half who voted for the other person are made to feel like losers who must put up with a mere facade that claims the new President elect will in fact act in a bipartisan effort for the good of the whole country or We The People as a whole. While the truth is they primarily cater to their constituents and special interest lobyists who only want a certain agenda followed that has little to do with what is good for the whole country. And in recent years the core divided agenda underlying our cherished political process is becoming unworkable as we outgrow the more primitive times when such a process could still work well enough to be manageable. No wonder we're having evolving problems with no resolvable outcome in the political theatre, and that only grows worse with passing time. It wouldn't matter if Obama is reelected or one from the embarrasing group of GOP clowns becomes President. Our whole system of politics and government must concede to radical changes to remain viable. Something not possible via the archaic democratic process of politics as usual.
Just think. When it comes to any argument about taxes, only rougly half the populace can stake claim to what happens to all the taxes from everyone. When by all rights they should only be able to stake claim to their own half of the total tax revenue in the US. Indeed, united we stand and divided we fall. And in a nation indisible, We The People are about as divided as can be and quite blind to how seriously so to boot. Either party and it's voting bloc is currently seen as the enemy of the state who must forever be eliminated or converted at all costs in practice. There's no incentive for cooperation, unity or teamwork. Compounded by the fact that primarily conservatives perceive such cooperation or any form of compromise as equivalent to an unacceptable image of weakness. And as such and end of functional time is nigh at hand.
And so it is. Liberty and justice for all has come to be perceived as essentially a government subsidized Socialist entitlement program for the unentitled. That in the land of supposed equal opportunity the only reason the poor are poor is because they're incompetent and lazy underachievers who can't measure up to the American standard of excellence and exceptionalism, and so therefore ought not be entitled to anything but a bag of peanuts on payday. An overly simplistic and wishful thinking idealism drives our socioeconomic climate off the cliff of no deposit, no return consumer driven disposability.
"And so when you see the abomination that causes desolation standing [where it ought not*], know it is at the doors."
Daniel/Jesus
* We The People living in the land of the free and home of the brave, with liberty and justice for all. The first and last nation on earth established upon principles most operably akin in practice to The Holy of Holies. Don't need a redundant host of diverse and conflicting, "Churches" inside a massive 'Nation/Church' 24/7/365. Right there behind President George Washington, between the The Great State Seal and The Pyramid of Vision: "IN GOD WE TRUST". Right on tha' money!
Never in a bazillion years, eh? Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Daniel/Jesus
* We The People living in the land of the free and home of the brave, with liberty and justice for all. The first and last nation on earth established upon principles most operably akin in practice to The Holy of Holies. Don't need a redundant host of diverse and conflicting, "Churches" inside a massive 'Nation/Church' 24/7/365. Right there behind President George Washington, between the The Great State Seal and The Pyramid of Vision: "IN GOD WE TRUST". Right on tha' money!
Never in a bazillion years, eh? Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
This election will probably be a nasty one that is going to be terribly difficult to call. No one who is a valid candidate has much appeal outside of their own group, and is at odds with larger groups. It"s such a shame that third parties never stand a chance even though realistically the majority doesn't want Obama, Romney, or Santorum, or probably any Republican or Democrat for presidency.
SOME people are poor because they are lazy and they would rather blame the world than take any sort of responsibility. Then many more people, far more than the lazy crowd, is a workforce that is willing to work but cannot find gainful employment, if any employment at all. Such as the average college grad who no longer has job opportunity and security to go along with a degree, but rather they enter a job market with few jobs and many of them that do not pay what they should be earning. And then there are minimum wage earners, which quite often are found in white collar professions and offices and are anything but exclusive to fast food and retail.
And if our standards are exceptional and excellence, then why are our education standards so poor? Why is our income distribution equality on par with Jamaica? Why is our health care the worlds most expensive but far from the best? Why do we have the world's highest incarceration rate, a very high return rate, and privatized prisons that promise a 90% minimum occupancy rate? Why is it that I owed taxes this year and had to pay, while billion dollar corporations won't have to pay a dime on theirs? If we are so damn good, why do we love to pretend teens listen when we tell them to wait until marriage, and continue to pretend when we have a very high teen pregnancy rate? And if we want to be excellent and exceptional, why are we one of the very few nations that supports long term isolated-confinement and discourages bilingualism?
That is blatantly wrong. I have had both warehouse and roofing jobs, two jobs that are very physically demanding, but I have never made more than $20,000/y. I know a fast food manager who works no less than 70 hours a week and she makes $30,000/y.
SOME people are poor because they are lazy and they would rather blame the world than take any sort of responsibility. Then many more people, far more than the lazy crowd, is a workforce that is willing to work but cannot find gainful employment, if any employment at all. Such as the average college grad who no longer has job opportunity and security to go along with a degree, but rather they enter a job market with few jobs and many of them that do not pay what they should be earning. And then there are minimum wage earners, which quite often are found in white collar professions and offices and are anything but exclusive to fast food and retail.
And if our standards are exceptional and excellence, then why are our education standards so poor? Why is our income distribution equality on par with Jamaica? Why is our health care the worlds most expensive but far from the best? Why do we have the world's highest incarceration rate, a very high return rate, and privatized prisons that promise a 90% minimum occupancy rate? Why is it that I owed taxes this year and had to pay, while billion dollar corporations won't have to pay a dime on theirs? If we are so damn good, why do we love to pretend teens listen when we tell them to wait until marriage, and continue to pretend when we have a very high teen pregnancy rate? And if we want to be excellent and exceptional, why are we one of the very few nations that supports long term isolated-confinement and discourages bilingualism?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
You quote Jesus, yet you hold disdain for the poor when Jesus clearly stated they are very special people to him. Your logic seems to have a rather large whole in it.
-Thomas Jefferson
I think you misunderstood what I said in my posts overall. I have no such disdain for the poor. I was pointing out and making a mockery of the typical shortsighted conservative view about poverty in America. And though I appear to specifically refer to Christianity and the Bible, if you read into what I said it's clear that I'm pointing out how no particular established religion ought make claim to the founding of the American model. And this only sounds contradictory because it's considered that Christianity acknowledges no other religion as true. My point is there is to be no particualr Church or religion about the core ideal surrounding what's considered The Primary Law. It doesn't require any religion to assess the morals and ethics regarding how people should treat one another and why. Liberty and justice for all is not a religion, yet it is a religiously agreeable concept.
Not to stray from the subject of this thread, I too agree that with any luck Santorum will win the nomination, Romney will fall flat and Newtonian Gingrich Physics will suffer a meltdown. Of course up next to Obama, unless something runs astray with his latest upticking approval rating before November, it might as well be Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman being nominated on the GOP ticket. I would only want to see Santorum or whoever win the Presidency for no other reason than it spelling the end of the Republican camp and rhetoric for a loooooong time. But alas, I forget the Republicans will suddenly flip and employ the valid Democrat argument about Bush with a less valid claim about Obama. "Why if Obama hadn't messed up the whole country so bad in just one term, our President would have things turned around by now..." Yada, yada.
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Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
As often as possible, but not on this occasion.So now your making fun of the Scandinavians.
Why is it that any decent sort of Presidential contender who might actually do some good if given the chance never seems to garner more than the high teens percentile at the polls? Ron Paul has all these die hard and impassioned followers, who's sort of like Ross Perot that neither party likes much because he potentially steals too many moderate voters away that could make a difference in a close general election.
Winners will say what needs to be said in order to win.....make promises they won't deliver on.
Sometimes, an honest & candid person does this naturally, but most of the time, they must lie.
Paul's message appeals to many, but even more are frightened of or opposed to fewer wars, less foreign aid, lower
taxes, more personal liberty, no bail-outs, smaller government, less regulation, more capitalism, less socialism, etc.
I'm surprised he's done as well as he has.