Will the Jewish people ever accept the Messiah?

[roger1440]

What all prophecies ?

What if he will come to you by the same message of Christians Jesus (pbuh) , will you accept him ?

What if he will come to Christians not Jews , will you accept him ?

What if he will come to Muslims not to Jews , will accept him ?

The way you had phrased the question makes it meaningless. Tumah is Jewish. If “he” did not come to the Jews how can Tumah possibly accept him? Tumah wouldn’t know “he” is here.

 

[Godobeyer]

The way you had phrased the question makes it meaningless. Tumah is Jewish. If “he” did not come to the Jews how can Tumah possibly accept him? Tumah wouldn’t know “he” is here.

Thats was just guess

because , I think some Christians believe that Jesus (pbuh) will not come back for Christians , he will come to Jews .(in his second return)

 

[wizanda]

I'm having problems with My quote feature.

When are you going to figure out how the quote function works properly, read you make excuses multiple times over a year..... Ask if you're not sure; it shows the signs of a good leader to do so.

 

[roger1440]

Thats was just guess

because , I think some Christians believe that Jesus (pbuh) will not come back for Christians , he will come to Jews .(in his second return)

The question is, "Will the Jewish people ever accept the Messiah?" The question has nothing to do with Christians.

 

[Godobeyer]

The question is, "Will the Jewish people ever accept the Messiah?" The question has nothing to do with Christians.

I disagree bro ,
it's relate to Christians belief and Muslims belief .

You and We believed that Messiah which called Jesus (pbuh) , is already come .

So I suppose IF Jesus (pbuh) would come to Christians , would the Jews believe in him ?
I suppose also IF Jesus (pbuh) would come to Muslims , would the Jews believe in him ?

 

[Deeje]

Deeje, after reading carefully both you and George's posts I feel like you are very condescending in your approach to him. George is inconsistent, but there's clearly a rational side to the way he talks.

By his own admission, George is not a well man. The videos he posted were done while he was stoned on the substance that apparently caused his delusions. Do you think anything I said would not have already been addressed by his doctor in his diagnosis? There was no condescension intended...only reality.

Deeje, something I have problem with is you calling the belief in science, "blind faith". It isn't blind, in fact in many ways it is designed to not be that way.

It is the very design in nature that shouts to me about its designer. I can't think of a single thing that humans use as a tool or instrument that is not designed and made by an intelligent mind....can you?
True substantive science is created by God....the Master Scientist. Men created the idea of evolution. Wanting to make God disappear is nothing new for humans.

Every article I have ever been presented with on the "science" behind evolution has used the same terminology...perhaps you need to watch for the phrases.."might have" or "could have" or "we have reason to conclude that..." None of which are statements of fact, but supposition and guesswork masquerading as science. They even had to alter the definition of "theory" to pretend that it is fact...it is no such thing.

Deeje, you quoted everything George said that was a little off and (maybe I'm missing something) you missed everything he said that sounded rational. George is a different to how he approaches things ... maybe he smoked too much pot, who knows. But he's a unique individual with a lot of positive things to say.

Colluding on a delusion only feeds it. A deluded individual needs to understand the difference between what his mind tells him and what reality is. George's delusions are not healthy for him or those who are close to him. It would make people avoid him at a time when he needs their support the most. You cannot help but see the sincerity, but it is not helping his mental state to believe that he is Jesus Christ or even a prophet of God when it is clear that this is all in his own mind. It is obvious that he needs ongoing treatment and help. Not to tell him so is wrong IMO.

As someone who himself suffers from mental illness I can tell you that I've met people with worse problems than him, and he does not belong in an institution.

I am no stranger to mental illness, having close family members and friends affected by various mental health issues, has educated me in ways you cannot imagine.

I have never said that George belongs in an institution! He has a gentle nature and his delusion makes him want to preach, but his message is scrambled. His knowledge of scripture is very limited. My sole objective is to show him that he cannot trust his mind to feed him rational thoughts. He needs a mentor who is close and whom he trusts to keep him from wandering off into unreality. Delusion is their reality so it is a hard battle when your mind is convinced of something that is not true in the real world.

I do not understand or believe many things George says, mind you, but the things I do understand I can appreciate. He (and me) hope that you can too.

I understand more than you know. I wish I could fix what is wrong, but mental illness is now epidemic due to years of drug abuse. If kids could only see into the future and not start to abuse drugs just because everyone else is doing it, they would not end up psychotic and deluded and needing help to live for the rest of their lives as unproductive beings. This is what makes these drug induced mental illnesses all the more tragic! They are completely preventable.....but their effects can last a lifetime.

 

[roger1440]

I disagree bro ,
it's relate to Christians belief and Muslims belief .

You and We believed that Messiah which called Jesus (pbuh) , is already come .

So I suppose IF Jesus (pbuh) would come to Christians , would the Jews believe in him ?
I suppose also IF Jesus (pbuh) would come to Muslims , would the Jews believe in him ?

Are you asking Christians and Muslims to answer for Jews?

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you asking Christians and Muslims to answer for Jews?

No you missunderstood me , I asking the Jews for answser if the Messiah (pbuh) come to Christians or Muslims ,what they will do .

do you get it ?

 

[roger1440]

No you missunderstood me , I asking the Jews for answser if the Messiah (pbuh) come to Christians or Muslims ,what they will do .

do you get it ?

The Messiah is a theological concept that resides solely within Judaism. Outside of Judaism it does not exist.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The Messiah is a theological concept that resides solely within Judaism. Outside of Judaism it does not exist.

How so? The OT is included in the Christian Bible, isn't it?

 

[roger1440]

How so? The OT is included in the Christian Bible, isn't it?

The people who wrote the New Testament were Jews not Gentiles.

 

[roger1440]

I am curious about your message, Mr. George Manuel Oliveira. Can you tell me more about it? Well, firstly, what are people who believe in you called?

I would answer that but I'm afraid I'll be banned from this forum.

 

[Mackerni]

By his own admission, George is not a well man. The videos he posted were done while he was stoned on the substance that apparently caused his delusions. Do you think anything I said would not have already been addressed by his doctor in his diagnosis? There was no condescension intended...only reality.

There's a dozen or so more quotes I could give you from George himself in this thread that would make it seem like either 1. he is not crazy at all (and the effects of pot were temporary) or 2. he is currently receiving treatment. If someone is not harming someone else with their delusions is it not our responsibility to tell them what to do. Are you in his immediate family? Do you know this person on an intimate level? I don't think so. Also, you choose to ignore all the sane things he is saying and is only highlighting the things he's talking about when he's high.

It is the very design in nature that shouts to me about its designer. I can't think of a single thing that humans use as a tool or instrument that is not designed and made by an intelligent mind....can you?
True substantive science is created by God....the Master Scientist. Men created the idea of evolution. Wanting to make God disappear is nothing new for humans.

That intelligent mind IS human. I am an atheist because I see everything is being made by humans, not God. What is God developed evolution? There's trillions of possibilities (though only 4,200 religions) for the answer of WHY and you choose one single book for all your answers. I find that incredibly sad.

Every article I have ever been presented with on the "science" behind evolution has used the same terminology...perhaps you need to watch for the phrases.."might have" or "could have" or "we have reason to conclude that..." None of which are statements of fact, but supposition and guesswork masquerading as science. They even had to alter the definition of "theory" to pretend that it is fact...it is no such thing.

Look, I believe in science, for the very reasons that I choose not to believe in religion. Science does not have all the answers, religion does. Science is a self-correcting system of hypothesis done by people who are more intelligent and smarter than more, religion is choosing the answers because it feels good to you. Religion, at least revealed religions, are promising people empty hopes and dreams. Yes, I have my own theories that I believe cannot be proven, but I believe they will be proven one day - whereas no religion will.

Colluding on a delusion only feeds it. A deluded individual needs to understand the difference between what his mind tells him and what reality is. George's delusions are not healthy for him or those who are close to him. It would make people avoid him at a time when he needs their support the most. You cannot help but see the sincerity, but it is not helping his mental state to believe that he is Jesus Christ or even a prophet of God when it is clear that this is all in his own mind. It is obvious that he needs ongoing treatment and help. Not to tell him so is wrong IMO.

You do not know George in a personal level. You do not know who is really is as a person! How are you to judge anything someone does because of a few things they said on the Internet? If he wants help, let him seek it. It is not our responsibility to forcibly medicate George and treat him with therapy.

I am no stranger to mental illness, having close family members and friends affect by various mental health issues, has educated me in ways you cannot imagine.

Do you have mental illness? Do you live in a building where everybody who lives or works there has some kind of mental issue? Don't dismiss your understand of mental illness as any higher than mine. I do know for a fact that if case management sees someone who is delusional but not in risk or harming themselves or others, that they cannot forcibly send them to the hospital. I've dealt with my fair share of case managers, peer specialists, therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists. I live with it everyday.

I have never said that George belongs in an institution! He has a gentle nature and his delusion makes him want to preach, but his message is scrambled. His knowledge of scripture is very limited. My sole objective is to show him that he cannot trust his mind to feed him rational thoughts. He needs a mentor who is close and whom he trusts to keep him from wandering off into unreality. Delusion is their reality so it is a hard battle when your mind is convinced of something that is not true in the real world.

Yet you are acting like he does.

I understand more than you know. I wish I could fix what is wrong, but mental illness is now epidemic due to years of drug abuse. If kids could only see into the future and not start to abuse drugs just because everyone else is doing it, they would not end up psychotic and deluded and needing help to live for the rest of their lives as unproductive beings. This is what makes these drug induced mental illnesses all the more tragic! They are completely preventable.....but their effects can last a lifetime.

You have no idea ... I developed mania after being placed on an anti-depressant for social anxiety disorder before I went to college. I took the medication as prescribed, and after developing a trigger for it I might have mania for my entire life. I didn't do any hardcore drugs, I didn't do any drugs at all in fact ... except Lexapro 10mg daily. The only medication that turns me into a productive person in society is a drug that I'm allergic to ... depakote. My white blood cells disappear when I take it. It really, really sucks. I wish I would have never taken Lexapro to begin with, because I used to think that a little one pill once a day would solve my problems, now I think it's the only thing preventing the problems from starting up again.

 

[Mackerni]

I would answer that but I'm afraid I'll be banned from this forum.

Then private message me it.

 

[MountainPine]

The Messiah would not bear witness to himself like what you're doing. I've seen a lot of people like you. I've known a couple on Facebook who claimed they were the Two Witnesses, and used their astrological charts to "prove it". You're just some average guy having an ego-trip.

 

[Deeje]

There's a dozen or so more quotes I could give you from George himself in this thread that would make it seem like either 1. he is not crazy at all (and the effects of pot were temporary) or 2. he is currently receiving treatment. If someone is not harming someone else with their delusions is it not our responsibility to tell them what to do. Are you in his immediate family? Do you know this person on an intimate level? I don't think so. Also, you choose to ignore all the sane things he is saying and is only highlighting the things he's talking about when he's high.

I understand your defense of George as a fellow mental health sufferer, but I am not the enemy....I am merely a voice of reason. He has chosen to speak on a public forum...if he wanted privacy, he has other options. I ignored the other things he said because they are not relevant.

We speak from opposite ends of the mental health perspective.

That intelligent mind IS human. I am an atheist because I see everything is being made by humans, not God. What is God developed evolution? There's trillions of possibilities (though only 4,200 religions) for the answer of WHY and you choose one single book for all your answers. I find that incredibly sad.

There is a lot to make people sad in this world...none of it is fair....but none of it is God's fault either. We are merely reaping what we have sown....some are reaping what others have sown....very little of it is beneficial. But this life is what humans chose. We are stuck with it for now.

Look, I believe in science, for the very reasons that I choose not to believe in religion. Science does not have all the answers, religion does. Science is a self-correcting system of hypothesis done by people who are more intelligent and smarter than more, religion is choosing the answers because it feels good to you. Religion, at least revealed religions, are promising people empty hopes and dreams. Yes, I have my own theories that I believe cannot be proven, but I believe they will be proven one day - whereas no religion will.

I can say exactly the same things...I have hope that what the Bible promises will come true and the sooner the better. But if there is no God, then we have to depend on man to give us a future....that actually scares the pants off me! I like what the Creator is offering...I can't say the same for human promises.

If he wants help, let him seek it. It is not our responsibility to forcibly medicate George and treat him with therapy.

If George seriously thought he was Jesus, then I will wager that it wasn't his idea to get psychiatric help. Someone else 'forced' him to do so....perhaps they had to for his own sake.

Do you have mental illness? Do you live in a building where everybody who lives or works there has some kind of mental issue? Don't dismiss your understand of mental illness as any higher than mine.

I have been on the other side Mackerni, watching the delusions and the illness kill the personality of the victim. My best friend is schizophrenic. The voices tell her to do all manner of things to punish her....they forbid her to use hot water in winter so she must take freezing cold showers. She is forbidden to sleep in a comfortable bed because they tell he she must sleep on the cold hard floor. Unimaginable horror awaits her if she does not obey them. She lives in dread all day long. Meds do not really help, but she takes a cocktail of them. She has OCD as well.

My spouse died last year as a result of an inherited neurological disorder. It causes madness and I could not control the outbursts and abusive temper. My son has now been diagnosed with the same disorder.

I have in-laws who suffer from bi-polar disorder and swing from nice to nasty in a matter of seconds. My daughter suffers from PTSD...please don't tell me I am unacquainted with mental illness just because I do not suffer from it myself. Its no picnic for the carer.

You have no idea ... I developed mania after being placed on an anti-depressant for social anxiety disorder before I went to college. I took the medication as prescribed, and after developing a trigger for it I might have mania for my entire life. I didn't do any hardcore drugs, I didn't do any drugs at all in fact ... except Lexapro 10mg daily.

Prescription drugs can be more harmful than illegal ones. Just read the side effects in the pack or online and you will see a long list of possible outcomes. It doesn't stop them from peddling their poison.

The only medication that turns me into a productive person in society is a drug that I'm allergic to ... depakote. My white blood cells disappear when I take it. It really, really sucks. I wish I would have never taken Lexapro to begin with, because I used to think that a little one pill once a day would solve my problems, now I think it's the only thing preventing the problems from starting up again.

I sympathize. Without meds, my family and friends would not be able to function at all...but I shudder to think at what cost to their overall well being and future lives. The medication gets them through the day but with no thought of tomorrow. This is why we need what God is offering. The solution is coming and I believe it will be soon. I have never seen humanity in such a sorry state. Mother earth is groaning under the sheer weight of man's complete mismanagement of the planet. Madmen and egomaniacs rule the world and we are powerless to stop them...but God isn't. (Dan 2:44)

 

[Mackerni]

I sympathize. Without meds, my family and friends would not be able to function at all...but I shudder to think at what cost to their overall well being and future lives. The medication gets them through the day but with no thought of tomorrow. This is why we need what God is offering. The solution is coming and I believe it will be soon. I have never seen humanity in such a sorry state. Mother earth is groaning under the sheer weight of man's complete mismanagement of the planet. Madmen and egomaniacs rule the world and we are powerless to stop them...but God isn't. (Dan 2:44)

God won't cure anything, because there is no God. This creator you speak of isn't a God its nature. We come from nature and thus have the ability to possess God-like abilities. Through hundreds of thousands of years Earth has been able to produce beings that are fully-functional on many levels - not just humans. Look at this:

This is the cure for everything from mental illness to unwanted eye color. I would be surprised if I am still taking medication into my late adulthood. I feel like medication will be viewed as just as barbaric as things they used to do to treat mental illness (like lobotomies).

But whatever, you can reply but I'm not going to. This discussion has gone so off topic from the OP's intentions I'd rather not discuss it.

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Again for some reason, My quote feature/button is not working. And it's not because I don't know how to click the "Reply" button as someone suggested.

Mackerni, thank you very much for your last post with the link to that video! It was, in My honest humble opinion, very enlightening. I thought that that video is so important that I linked your last YouTube video to some of the other forums that I blog on. But I did give you credit for showing Me it. I just wanted to say thank you!

~PEACE~

 

[muhammad_isa]

when the Son of Man comes..

~PEACE~

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[SpeaksForTheTrees]

The Future of Free Energy is here now! The end of oil, coal and nuclear pollution!

This breakthrough in science could be one of the most important discoveries since I was born!

In My Kingdom Garden Paradise, as I have said many times before, energy will be FREE! And this could be a reason why the price of (crude) oil is so "low"!

After we all have FREE ENERGY, what else can we make free too?

I prophesy that in the future, we will all have FREE satellite internet and FREE satellite phone service for your smartphone and any gadget that you need "wi-fi" or the internet, and FREE water, FREE utilities, FREE FREE FREE, in My Kingdom!

I am going to make a lot of friends by making so many things FREE! But also enemies who can potentially lose trillions of dollars. But if I get assassinated by the elites, I will die as the Martyr above all martyrs! And if it's possible for people to live without Me, there will be a manhunt, a revolution against the elites, etc..

I'm not too afraid to die right now, even though I am not suicidal, because I know that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord! And the glory that is come is divine! I have the confidence that I will live again, even though the afterlife has not yet been proven by science.

One day very soon, the whole world is going to wake up from their slumber, and there will be a knowledge revolution, and the elites will pay, because I will avenge all of My angel gods!

It's almost like I can show you...

Most people act like I am dead. Why? Is not the Lord fighting your battles? Am I not alive?

Is it not written, as I, the Lord, live you shall live also? Am I not all over the globe?

I have been doing My job... Are you doing your job by spreading My Message?

Keep calm and do not be afraid, it's the End Times- the Last of Days, the Revelation of Messiah! The Apocalypse and the Rapture!

Watch and again I say watch!

~PEACE~

Wow sometimes dewd you go way over my head almost distressing to the reader.