Why Predudices are so dangerous?

[Shad]

I think that the real point is being entirely missed. Prejudice is often part and parcel of a suite of attributes: Conservatism, Fear Based Thinking, and other processes mediated by the amygdala. At the other end of the spectrum is more Liberal Thought, experimentation, exploration and other processes handled by the prefrontal lobe. A successful community requires input from members who fall all along that line.

Really? Which side is comparing Trump to Hitler and screaming that he will put people in concentration camps?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It seems you miss the point that the group cooperating in a worthy cause will always be larger because they are morally motivated.

The Axis leaders didn't think their cause was morally justified. They were highly arrogant sociopaths who thought they were stronger and born to rule the weak. They got in over their arrogant heads just as their type always does.

You really have no clue what you're talking about. You obviously know nothing about Fascism and National Socialism. You also have bought into post-war propaganda that the Allies were righteous heroes. That's all spin. Of course the Axis believed that they were justified. Despite what you think, they were not monsters but human beings like you and me. These were everyday people. They believed their cause was righteous, that they were fighting a parasitic evil that was enslaving their nation and ruining their people. They believed that their survival was at stake. Fascists and National Socialists believe their ideology is inline with and upholds cosmic truth and order. It has a real religious bent to it.

Believing that you have a "worthy cause" doesn't win wars. Obliterating the enemy does, and that's what the Allies did. They firebombed both Germany and Japan to rubble, and dropped two nukes on Japan, incinerating thousands of civilians. Little babies and even animals at the zoo were carbonized. Probably best that you stick to your fairytale. Not everyone can handle the truth of things.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You really have no clue what you're talking about. You obviously know nothing about Fascism and National Socialism. You also have bought into post-war propaganda that the Allies were righteous heroes. That's all spin. Of course the Axis believed that they were justified. Despite what you think, they were not monsters but human beings like you and me. These were everyday people. They believed their cause was righteous, that they were fighting a parasitic evil that was enslaving their nation and ruining their people. They believed that their survival was at stake. Fascists and National Socialists believe their ideology is inline with and upholds cosmic truth and order. It has a real religious bent to it.

Believing that you have a "worthy cause" doesn't win wars. Obliterating the enemy does, and that's what the Allies did. They firebombed both Germany and Japan to rubble, and dropped two nukes on Japan, incinerating thousands of civilians. Little babies and even animals at the zoo were carbonized. Probably best that you stick to your fairytale. Not everyone can handle the truth of things.

What is the Truth?

History would confirm that a lot of these events were based on predudices would it not? It would alao prove the purpose of the OP, to show why predudices are so dangerous.

Lets try to see each other as one human race, all part of one family of man. Then look back after it works and see how many prejudices had prevented that happening in the past.

The list is massive.

Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What is the Truth?

History would confirm that a lot of these events were based on predudices would it not? It would alao prove the purpose of the OP, to show why predudices are so dangerous.

Lets try to see each other as one human race, all part of one family of man. Then look back after it works and see how many prejudices had prevented that happening in the past.

The list is massive.

Regards Tony

You don't have to hold hands and sing Kumbaya in order to leave people alone. I don't see everyone as my family just because we're part of the same species. That cheapens the concept of family. I don't even recognize my own blood relatives as family, let alone some stranger.

Oh, and you keep misspelling "prejudices". You misspelled it in your thread title and once in your post here

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Oh, and you keep misspelling "prejudices". You misspelled it in your thread title and once in your post here

I am a lousy speller and my spell check is not good on Samsung, it always leaves the option of the wrongly spelt word along with 2 other choices....what is one to do

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You don't have to hold hands and sing Kumbaya in order to leave people alone. I don't see everyone as my family just because we're part of the same species. That cheapens the concept of family.

Or gives us the idea of what is a real family and gives us a real purpose.

P/S happy to hold hands and sing Kumbaya if thats what it takes for us to find unity.

Regards Tony

 

[charlie sc]

That is the thing about prejudice, we always think we do not own as many as others do.

I do not see people in Islam having any more than any other person, but they may have a different focus.

Stay well and happy, regards Tony

Ummm, Tony, my friend. Most Islamic states have something called Sharia law. Heard of it? They'll lock you up or kill you for apostasy and blasphemy. They regard women as inferior and subsequently, they need to cover up, can't drive without a man, cannot go places without a man and cannot even change in a clothing section. People are killed or locked up for breaking some of the weirdest religious laws, like some Muslim woman drank from the same cup as a Christian. She was locked up or killed, I can't remember. The list goes on and on. There's gender inequality laws and mindsets to the extreme. Whenever there is an Islamic terrorist attack, some Islamic state will thank them and publicly support the terrorist action in the name of Islam. Most terrorism in the world is done in the name of Islam. A survey I saw done recently in the UK, showed the majority of Muslims support Sharia law. I wouldn't be surprised if other surveys showed similar results. The Muslims I've met would not shake a females hand, but they were very nice people. My girlfriend is an atheist, like myself, and she's been disowned by her Muslim family because she's with an atheist and not some prearranged religious marriage.

If you think the Western mentality needs more help then they do then you need to get your eyes checked or take the huge veil of ignorance off your head.

 

[Vinayaka]

Good thing, I suppose, that several governments had an anti-Hitler prejudice.

The thing with claiming that all prejudices are harmful is that it's a very simplistic view of a very complex situation. Each situation differs, and each individual's view differs. Who is to decide what is valid and what isn't? Too much 'my prejudices are fine, but yours aren't,' for me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Or gives us the idea of what is a real family and gives us a real purpose.

P/S happy to hold hands and sing Kumbaya if thats what it takes for us to find unity.

Regards Tony

Unity and world peace aren't goals of mine so I don't sweat it not being a reality.

 

[joe1776]

You really have no clue what you're talking about. You obviously know nothing about Fascism and National Socialism. You also have bought into post-war propaganda that the Allies were righteous heroes. That's all spin. Of course the Axis believed that they were justified. Despite what you think, they were not monsters but human beings like you and me. These were everyday people. They believed their cause was righteous, that they were fighting a parasitic evil that was enslaving their nation and ruining their people. They believed that their survival was at stake. Fascists and National Socialists believe their ideology is inline with and upholds cosmic truth and order. It has a real religious bent to it.

Believing that you have a "worthy cause" doesn't win wars. Obliterating the enemy does, and that's what the Allies did. They firebombed both Germany and Japan to rubble, and dropped two nukes on Japan, incinerating thousands of civilians. Little babies and even animals at the zoo were carbonized. Probably best that you stick to your fairytale. Not everyone can handle the truth of things.

Your post sounds like neo-Nazi recruitment BS intended for males, under 30, and lacking in self-confidence.

The Nazi ideology has a real religious bent to it? Are you referring to the extermination of Jews?

 

[Shantanu]

How can humanity act to ensure all have those rights, ensuring predudice is not the motivating factor?

It is commendable for the United Nations to declare such sentiments in the perceived need to have one universal mankind governed by truth as justice but the history of mankind shows that there is considerable evil that stands in the way and this evil is inherent in us human beings through our genetics. Thus humans would always need to fight injustices at a personal level to counter those evil elements in society to maintain their dignity. No one is going to give this dignity to anyone because States are engineered in certain ways and will always strive to preserve the status quo including its prejudices against members of society who have different ideals. That is the reality of how humans need to conduct themselves in life. Life is a long struggle if you have ideals that run contrary to the needs of the State in which humans live. Prejudice is therefore a fact of life and it needs to be seen in the context of good versus evil.

So how can one determine whether a prejudice is justified. It is done through ascertaining truths and relying on God to do the rest in that He is the Protector of last resort.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ummm, Tony, my friend. Most Islamic states have something called Sharia law. Heard of it? They'll lock you up or kill you for apostasy and blasphemy. They regard women as inferior and subsequently, they need to cover up, can't drive without a man, cannot go places without a man and cannot even change in a clothing section. People are killed or locked up for breaking some of the weirdest religious laws, like some Muslim woman drank from the same cup as a Christian. She was locked up or killed, I can't remember. The list goes on and on. There's gender inequality laws and mindsets to the extreme. Whenever there is an Islamic terrorist attack, some Islamic state will thank them and publicly support the terrorist action in the name of Islam. Most terrorism in the world is done in the name of Islam. A survey I saw done recently in the UK, showed the majority of Muslims support Sharia law. I wouldn't be surprised if other surveys showed similar results. The Muslims I've met would not shake a females hand, but they were very nice people. My girlfriend is an atheist, like myself, and she's been disowned by her Muslim family because she's with an atheist and not some prearranged religious marriage.

If you think the Western mentality needs more help then they do then you need to get your eyes checked or take the huge veil of ignorance off your head.

The post is about why prejudices are dangerous and identifying what are, Abdul'baha has given us a list we need to address;

"..The causes of dispute among different nations are always due to one of the following classes of prejudice: racial, lingual, theological, personal, and prejudices of custom and tradition. It requires a universal active force to overcome these differences. A small disease needs a small remedy, but a disease which pervades the whole body needs a very strong remedy...." (Abdu'l-Baha in London)

It is worth considering, that if you have Faith in God, that you may also not be free of prejudice and what it will take to rid us of them;

"..For thousands of years the world of humanity has been agitated and disturbed by prejudices. As long as it prevails, warfare, animosity and hatred will continue. Therefore if we seek to establish peace we must cast aside this obstacle, for otherwise agreement and composure are not to be attained....(Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section)

Prejudice may very well become humanities downfall;

""And the breeding-ground of all these tragedies is prejudice: prejudice of race and nation, of religion, of political opinion; and the root cause of prejudice is blind imitation of the past -- imitation in religion, in racial attitudes, in national bias, in politics. So long as this aping of the past persisteth, just so long will the foundations of the social order be blown to the four winds, just so long will humanity be continually exposed to direst peril..." (Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha)

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So how can one determine whether a prejudice is justified. It is done through ascertaining truths and relying on God to do the rest in that He is the Protector of last resort?

That is a good question and in the end I think each of us can answer that for our own selves, it will not happen overnight, but I see it will eventually happen. We are in a time of great change and I see this change is showing us we are one people on one planet. Thus the next step may very well be this bit of advice;

"..But there is need of a superior power to overcome human prejudices, a power which nothing in the world of mankind can withstand and which will overshadow the effect of all other forces at work in human conditions. That irresistible power is the love of God. It is my hope and prayer that it may destroy the prejudice of this one point of distinction between you and unite you all permanently under its hallowed protection...." (Abdu'l-Baha : The Promulgation of Universal Peace Part 1)

Regards Tony

 

[joe1776]

Good thing, I suppose, that several governments had an anti-Hitler prejudice.

It sounds to me like you're using an uncommon definition of the word. Several governments had anti-Hitler opinions but those opinions were based on evidence.

(oxford)
prejudice....Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

 

[Jim]

All the talk I’m seeing about possible good reasons for discrimination against some group or category of people, looks to me like lame attempts to evade the issue of prejudices.

 

[Jim]

I might agree in some cases to discriminate against some group or category of people, but I object to dragging that red herring across a discussion about prejudices.

 

[Shantanu]

That is a good question and in the end I think each of us can answer that for our own selves, it will not happen overnight, but I see it will eventually happen. We are in a time of great change and I see this change is showing us we are one people on one planet. Thus the next step may very well be this bit of advice;

"..But there is need of a superior power to overcome human prejudices, a power which nothing in the world of mankind can withstand and which will overshadow the effect of all other forces at work in human conditions. That irresistible power is the love of God. It is my hope and prayer that it may destroy the prejudice of this one point of distinction between you and unite you all permanently under its hallowed protection...." (Abdu'l-Baha : The Promulgation of Universal Peace Part 1)

Regards Tony

I am not sure about a superior power to overcome human prejudices: certainly the God that I correspond with has not helped me overcome my prejudice against the persecutors who have tormented me over 20 years in the United Kingdom. He leaves me alone to sort out my enemies myself with periodic advice when I seek messages from God on what I should be doing about the persecution. If God protects everyone how can prejudices be overcome? I have been a good fellow all my life as far as I can tell and I fell from riches to rags in my story.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I am not sure about a superior power to overcome human prejudices: certainly the God that I correspond with has not helped me overcome my prejudice against the persecutors who have tormented me over 20 years in the United Kingdom. He leaves me alone to sort out my enemies myself with periodic advice when I seek messages from God on what I should be doing about the persecution. If God protects everyone how can prejudices be overcome? I have been a good fellow all my life as far as I can tell and I fell from riches to rags in my story.

We all have some story to tell that is for sure.

I see It is faith in God that allows us to see that all our life is a God given journey and all that happens to us is given to help us spiritually.

I consider it says in scriputures that God is Love, but then we have a world that seems not to show Love? Thus one must conclude that this world is given to teach us what is true love.

If that is the case, how can anything that happens to me not have a lesson to learn in Love?

We can then cosider a Bible passage that says,

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

How can that be so when God is Love? To me it means that it must all pivot on our choices and our perception of life.

Why else would all the Messengers of God accept persecution? They know there is a greater truth to be found.

Regards Tony

 

[Shantanu]

We all have some story to tell that is for sure.

I see It is faith in God that allows us to see that all our life is a God given journey and all that happens to us is given to help us spiritually.

I consider it says in scriputures that God is Love, but then we have a world that seems not to show Love? Thus one must conclude that this world is given to teach us what is true love.

If that is the case, how can anything that happens to me not have a lesson to learn in Love?

We can then cosider a Bible passage that says,

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

How can that be so when God is Love? To me it means that it must all pivot on our choices and our perception of life.

Why else would all the Messengers of God accept persecution? They know there is a greater truth to be found.

Regards Tony

Are you saying that God loves me?

 

[Jim]

Are you saying that God loves me?

Sorry to butt in here. I do think that God loves you, in my way of thinking In fact He tells me that His love for you is the reason He created you, but if you don’t get any comfort from that, I won’t blame you. There have been plenty of times when I didn’t get any comfort from it either, and I won’t try to make excuses for His ways of doing things, which don’t always make any more sense to me than they do to anyone else.