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Why is there this sort of double standard?

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by PFZKW88, May 28, 2012.

  1. LeftishBritInPA

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    Yes. White Nationalism would be unacceptable in Sweden. It would be unacceptable anywhere. Lest we forget history, last time "white" Nationalists managed to take over a country, it resulted in a world war and the near extermination of the Jewish People.

    Perhaps Swedish Nationalism - in the strictly civic sense - would be acceptable. I actually do believe Europe needs to learn to be more tolerant and more multicultural, and accomodate those who want to live here and embrace secular, Western values.
     
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  2. Koldo

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    Why i don't understand how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country?

    Perhaps because i don't see the point of doing so? :shrug:
     
  3. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    You did not answer my querstion.
    Most countries in the world are based on a dominant ethnicity and a dominant religion. Do you really don't understand how this came to be?
     
  4. Koldo

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    It wasn't even a question. :areyoucra

    I said :"i have trouble understanding how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country."

    You replied :"I am bit puzzeld why you don't understand actually."

    Sure i do, as christianity is the dominant religion in Brazil. What i don't understand is, like i said: "how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country."
     
  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    They are? Which ones, specifically? I can't think of any.

    I can think of plenty that were agglomerations of several different ethnicities and religions that we now think of as a single culture, but this is the result of nation-building, not the cause of it.

    I mean, take France: the name of the country comes from the Franks, but much of the country is Gallic in origin, not Frankish. Or Britain: even the term "Anglo-Saxon" points toward what I'm talking about. Back in the day, Angles and Saxons were very distinct cultures and ethnicities.
     
  6. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    Well, since we don't live on planet-utopia, surley you understand one or two things about self preservation, survival, economic interests or political interests.
    First. I don't see what race has to do with it. Not all countries are based on race. Most are based on ethnicities. An ethnicity has centuries long shared historical experience, and these ethnicities have many realitistic interests to accomodate their ethnicity.
     
  7. tofayel

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    Racism is not good for any nation or country, it can give us conflict or war but can't give peace. In general people expect peace.
     
  8. Caladan

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    China, Japan, North African nations, Turkey, Arab nations, off the top of my head.

    As far as I'm concerned today they are a collective ethnicity, and if the term ethnicity is not comfortable then use 'culture'.
     
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    Accomodate? I suspect we are not talking about the same thing.
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Ask an Okinawan if he's the same culture as someone from mainland Japan, or a Uighur if China is one single culture. ;)

    But I think you're sidestepping my point: we consider these countries to be (generally) distinct cultures from their neighbours today because of the fact that they've lived as distinct nations as long as they have. It's not like they noted their shared culture and decided to make it the basis for a nation; they were disparate people who were brought together somewhat artificially, and who often shared more in common with people on the other side of the imaginary line than with their own countrymen... at least at the outset, if not today.
     
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  11. bkmimk45

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    Rosensaft's message is simple: "Nationalism for me, but not for thee."

    Yes, Nationalism can be taken to excess. But within reasonable limits, it is not wrong. It would be a fallacy to say that just because a White person isn't ashamed of being white, that he's just a few steps away from inciting the next pogrom or the next lynching.

    If Rosensaft expects people to support Jewish nationalism, then he should allow other forms of nationalism as well.
     
  12. Caladan

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    There are definite ethnic groups in these countries which get favoritism. For example China may have dozens of ethnic groups, even hundreds perhaps. But Han Chinese are dominant and major in China's culture.
    And in the case of Japan, we are talking about a VERY homogeneous culture.

    Ergo, as far as I am concerned they are distinct in various ways: linguistic ways, cultural and social ways, and possibly religious and political ways. Even modern Western Europeans nations such as Belgium show us today that Europeans certainly put importance on ethnic or cultural differences and distinctions.

    What does artificially mean? these are all historical processes, they are 100% real as far as I'm concerned.
     
  13. Reverend Rick

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    Life is full of double standards. Who ever told the OP the world is fair?

    Here is the thing, if every country where the same, why the need to have different countries?

    I've always supported different places doing different things so we can learn who is doing things right or wrong and learn from it.

    At least when countries are different, we can perhaps live in a place we agree with and abandon a place we don't. Not everyone wants everything to be the same everywhere they go.
     
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  14. LeftishBritInPA

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    Exactly, all the whites getting so upset about this need to stop whining and just deal with it.

    although arguably disallowing "white" nationalism is not a double standard but rather a precautionary measure given past history. For instance child rapists are not allowed to live within a certain distance of elementary schools. Likewise given the "white" propensity for violence, hatred and bigotry in the form of thinks like genocide, pogroms, the KKK, etc., it makes sense that we cannot allow such feelings of ethnonationalism among white people as a whole.
     
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    Remember these words if, for example, you happen to go to the bank next time and the attendant decides to give preference to everyone else and leave you for last regardless of the fact that you were the first person on line. Please do not forget these words. :p
     
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    This would only be relevant if other kinds of racial and religious nationalism were somehow immune to leading to violence, hatred and bigotry.
     
  17. LongGe123

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    You know, these technicalities are just silly. They're based on old laws that made sense at the time - we don't have a written constitution ,therefore it's easy to change them. It's not ingrained anywhere in some unchangeable manner. That's the beauty of the British system, and it's why the UK has evolved as one of the most liberal and adaptable states in Europe.

    If one of the heirs wanted to marry a catholic, the law would be changed without hesitation, I'm sure of it. But why wait? Indeed, why wait!? These types of irregular laws will change when they need to be, and in the mean time will just be ignored, haha. A bit like civil partnerships. When they became a real issue based on establishing equal rights for same-sex couples, based on all changes to legislation prior, it was clear that the best thing to do was include same-sex unions, and so they came in, with little debate or fuss I might add.

    So, I guess what I'm saying is, when one of the heirs meets the catholic girl/boy of his/her dreams, they will change this law.
     
  18. kai

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    The change has already started:

    BBC News - Girls equal in British throne succession
     
  19. hfxpor48

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    This kind of response always bothered me. I guess according to their logic, those women who couldn't vote in the 1920's should have just realized that life isn't fair, and that they should have dealt with it, right?

    For one, if things had been the other way around - for instance, a prominent European nationalist condemning Israel or Zionism - such people would probably not have said something on the lines of "Life isn't fair, deal with it".
     
  20. Me Myself

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    After slaugthering the original natives of the country...

    Yeah...no.
     
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