Why is there this sort of double standard?

[PFZKW88]

The left-wing columnist, Menachem Rosensaft wrote an article in March, stating that "White Nationalism" is a terrible thing. According to Rosensaft, wanting to keep America a White or Christian nation is a bad idea, and White Americans must stand silent as the entire 3rd world pours into the United States. The link to his article is below

Menachem Rosensaft: White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won't Go Away

But an earlier column of Rosensaft's is entitled “Israel’s Jewish Essence Is Non-Negotiable.” In that column, Rosensaft basically says about Israel the same thing that some anti-immigration advocates say about America. Basically, he says that Israel had been Jewish, it is Jewish, and should stay Jewish.

Why is it that Israelis can advocate a Jewish state (ethnic or religious), but when Whites want to have White nations, it's called racism, or when Muslims want to have a religiously Muslim state, it's somehow evil.

Why are we to assume that the "Race" problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries, but not into Israel or, say, African countries?

 

[Shermana]

Israel has a plenty bad problem of African refugees, many of whom commit many crimes. Major riots about this immigration problem started a few days ago.

Look at this Leftist attack piece about it.
http://original.antiwar.com/hacohen/2012/05/27/tel-aviv-race-riots-reveal-much-about-israel/

I think those opposed to "White Nationalism" are basically in the pocket of Leftist movements that find support among Black nationalists and Chicano nationalists. Ultimately it's an attempt to smoke screen their own racism and their own political agendas. I think every culture should be proud and have no qualms about showing pride as long as its not spearheaded in an offensive way. The lingering memory of the Nazis and the Confederates unfortunately is the base thought for "White Pride" and because of the racial tensions and conflicts that go with it, the concept stays.

Meanwhile, it's okay to be a Black Nationalist and that's fine.

Even being a Jewish nationalist these days is frowned upon. Even many Israelis are prejudiced against ultra-zionists like myself because we aren't "PC", or they think we're somehow gonna give the Arabs more excuses to hate or the Nazis more excuses to hate or something. It ultimately is an attempt to pin the arms of those who actually take a stance on territorial and political manners in a real-politik non-PC way. Unfortunately, most people seem to be "liberal" and thus side with the PC Arm pinners as long as it supports their own political agendas.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

America is not a Christian nation so it cannot be kept that way; and making it into one is an obvious mistake because religion as a basis of political rule died, and rightly so, in the eighteenth century.
Christianity isn't a rational philosophy and does not work at all as a political system.

 

[Sunstone]

...White Americans must stand silent as the entire 3rd world pours into the United States.

America has at least one huge immigration problem that you have not mentioned.

Namely, we are a nation of immigrants that has always relied on importing the top talent in the world from other countries, but nowadays such the top talent is increasingly going to other countries, thus enriching them, rather than coming to America, thus enriching us. So far as I'm concerned, India can give us all the med students it wants. The Middle East can give us all the engineers they want. The Chinese can give us all the physicists they want. And so forth. We've got too few doctors, scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and others of like talents -- rather than too many. I'm not one to send the world's next Einstein packing just because he's got the "wrong" color skin.

 

[PFZKW88]

America has at least one huge immigration problem that you have not mentioned.

Namely, we are a nation of immigrants that has always relied on importing the top talent in the world from other countries, but nowadays such the top talent is increasingly going to other countries, thus enriching them, rather than coming to America, thus enriching us. So far as I'm concerned, India can give us all the med students it wants. The Middle East can give us all the engineers they want. The Chinese can give us all the physicists they want. And so forth. We've got too few doctors, scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and others of like talents -- rather than too many. I'm not one to send the world's next Einstein packing just because he's got the "wrong" color skin.

Look, I've got no problem with a small number of professionals from different countries working in White countries, but they shouldn't displace the people who built this country. And why can't Whites be trained to as doctors, engineers, physicists, and mathematicians? We've been doing it for thousands of years. I'm not just talking about America, but the White Western World in general.

Sub-Saharan Africa has even fewer doctors, engineers, or whatnot, but nobody is suggesting flooding their countries with non-Black people.

And what about the not-so-savory types? I'm not talking about the few people who are actually contributing to society, but the drug dealers, the crooks, penniless welfare cases, and so on.

True, America has always been a melting pot, but until they changed the laws, it was one with a Christian and Western basis. It should reject the "multicultural" paradigm contrived by leftist/liberal elites, and return to the melting pot paradigm, with a common language, a common Western ethos and Christian (NOT "Judeo-Christian") pathos.

 

[Caladan]

Since when is America NOT Anglo/Christian dominant?

 

[Revoltingest]

Since when is America NOT Anglo/Christian dominant?

Since about 2052.

 

[Shermana]

Since about 2052.

Seems about right. At the current rate of "Christians" realizing that their pastors are feeding them slop, I think America's "Christian identity" will be an iconic relic like Flappers and Beatniks.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Look, I've got no problem with a small number of professionals from different countries working in White countries, but they shouldn't displace the people who built this country.

The United States is not a "White" country.

And why can't Whites be trained to as doctors, engineers, physicists, and mathematicians? We've been doing it for thousands of years. I'm not just talking about America, but the White Western World in general.

Sub-Saharan Africa has even fewer doctors, engineers, or whatnot, but nobody is suggesting flooding their countries with non-Black people.

Sure they are. There are tons of foreign professionals coming in to do all sorts of work in sub-Saharan Africa. It's just that they don't tend to immigrate; they work there temporarily and then go home (removing their money from the sub-Saharan economy).

And what about the not-so-savory types? I'm not talking about the few people who are actually contributing to society, but the drug dealers, the crooks, penniless welfare cases, and so on.

True, America has always been a melting pot, but until they changed the laws, it was one with a Christian and Western basis. It should reject the "multicultural" paradigm contrived by leftist/liberal elites, and return to the melting pot paradigm, with a common language, a common Western ethos and Christian (NOT "Judeo-Christian") pathos.

When did the United States ever embrace "a common Western ethos" or all of Christianity? You're talking about the country that invented the phrase "no Irish need apply", for crying out loud!

Do you know why the Knights of Columbus exists today? Catholics were so regularly barred from membership in trade unions (and therefore denied the life insurance coverage that many unions offered their members) that Catholic women and their families would regularly wind up destitute when their husbands were killed on the job, which happened quite a bit back in the day. IIRC, it's still illegal to be Mormon in Missouri. Throughout the history of the United States, Christians have been persecuted for their beliefs.

Certain forms of Christianity and certain "Western" ideas may have been traditionally promoted in the US, but just as many were repressed. Historically, the United States was as anti-Christian and anti-Western as it was pro-Christian and pro-Western. It all depended which part of "Christian" and "Western" we're talking about.

 

[cablescavenger]

The left-wing columnist, Menachem Rosensaft wrote an article in March, stating that "White Nationalism" is a terrible thing. According to Rosensaft, wanting to keep America a White or Christian nation is a bad idea, and White Americans must stand silent as the entire 3rd world pours into the United States. The link to his article is below

Menachem Rosensaft: White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won't Go Away

But an earlier column of Rosensaft's is entitled “Israel’s Jewish Essence Is Non-Negotiable.” In that column, Rosensaft basically says about Israel the same thing that some anti-immigration advocates say about America. Basically, he says that Israel had been Jewish, it is Jewish, and should stay Jewish.

Why is it that Israelis can advocate a Jewish state (ethnic or religious), but when Whites want to have White nations, it's called racism, or when Muslims want to have a religiously Muslim state, it's somehow evil.

Why are we to assume that the "Race" problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries, but not into Israel or, say, African countries?

The guy who wrote the articles is a Zionist.

He is writing about what he believes, it is a double standard but he would be hard pressed to speak out against his beliefs, it also appears that his father was one of those that worked towards the Israel State in Palestine, so he is even less likely to scknowledge the hypocrisy.

 

[Katzpur]

IIRC, it's still illegal to be Mormon in Missouri.

Actually, it's not. The law was changed in 1976. Prior to that, it was not specifically "illegal" to be Mormon in Missouri. It was, however, pretty dangerous, as there was a law on the books permitting the murder of Mormons. Yes, that's the truth -- and it was 1976, not 1976.

 

[LeftishBritInPA]

It's not a "double standard". Being American isn't a set identity, it is a fluid identity. America is a nation of immigrants. It was a nation of immigrants in the past, it is one now, and will continue to be. The American identity has evolved over time to become what it is today and must continue to evolve and I frankly don't care for all the racist moaning and complaining about how whites will become a minority.

And besides there were Jews in Israel thousands of years before the creation of a "Palestinians" (a purely made-up idea to try and discredit Israel). Jews lived in Israel, Judea and Samaria thousands of years whites even set foot in North America. Meanwhile there was an indigenous population here hundreds of years before the said "whites" even knew of the North American continent. If anyone has a double standard it's the "white nationalists".

Mr. Rosensaft is completely correct in saying that white nationalism is a scourge on society.

 

[Shermana]

Leftish, by your logic, would White nationalism be a scourge in Sweden?

Would Black nationalism be a scourge in American society?

(Note: I completely 110% agree with you on Israel and the "Palestinians", but its odd how many liberal Jews are so hostile to Jewish nationalism).

 

[Levite]

The left-wing columnist, Menachem Rosensaft wrote an article in March, stating that "White Nationalism" is a terrible thing. According to Rosensaft, wanting to keep America a White or Christian nation is a bad idea, and White Americans must stand silent as the entire 3rd world pours into the United States. The link to his article is below

Menachem Rosensaft: White Nationalism: A Scourge That Won't Go Away

But an earlier column of Rosensaft's is entitled “Israel’s Jewish Essence Is Non-Negotiable.” In that column, Rosensaft basically says about Israel the same thing that some anti-immigration advocates say about America. Basically, he says that Israel had been Jewish, it is Jewish, and should stay Jewish.

Why is it that Israelis can advocate a Jewish state (ethnic or religious), but when Whites want to have White nations, it's called racism, or when Muslims want to have a religiously Muslim state, it's somehow evil.

Why are we to assume that the "Race" problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries, but not into Israel or, say, African countries?

America is not a Christian nation. It was not founded to be a Christian nation, but a nation where religious affiliation was not a factor in citizenship, governmental agenda, or political discourse. Nor is America a white nation. It was founded mostly by white people, who stole the land from Native American red/brown people, and brought over a ton and a half of black people, who acquired through the spilling of much blood and tears as much right to be Americans as the white people, later joined by a ton and a half of immigrants of all shades and colors, who built the infrastructure of the nation, and earned in sweat the right to be called Americans. "White nationalism" is a fiction, pretty much entirely a product of organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party.

America is supposed to be a place of opportunity for people of all races, creeds, and colors.

Other places are different, because they have different histories, and were founded with different agenda.

Italy, for example, is a Christian nation: it has a national church, and a long history of Christianity. I have no problem with that. It is pretty good about giving its non-Christian citizens full and equal civil rights, while at the same time calling itself a Christian country. It never claimed to be a melting pot, or to be open to all, regardless of race, creed, or color. I'm satisfied.

Personally, I have no problem with a country wishing to be Muslim, if the majority of its citizens are Muslim, and/or if its history is predominately Muslim-- although I believe all countries should be pluralistic: that is, even a Muslim country should have equal civil rights for non-Muslim citizens.

Israel-- at least in theory, though admittedly they need to improve in practice-- has equal civil rights for its non-Jewish citizens. It was founded to be a Jewish State, and maintains itself as such. I still don't see a problem.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Leftish, by your logic, would White nationalism be a scourge in Sweden?

Would Black nationalism be a scourge in American society?

(Note: I completely 110% agree with you on Israel and the "Palestinians", but its odd how many liberal Jews are so hostile to Jewish nationalism).

Swedish nationalism probably would be a scourge if it excluded the Sami (the Lapps).

 

[Koldo]

This is a particularly interesting topic.
Being born and living in Brazil my entire ( small ) life, i have trouble understanding how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country.
From my perspective, it just generates conflicts, hatred and deaths.

 

[Kathryn]

The United States is not a "White" country.


Sure they are. There are tons of foreign professionals coming in to do all sorts of work in sub-Saharan Africa. It's just that they don't tend to immigrate; they work there temporarily and then go home (removing their money from the sub-Saharan economy).


When did the United States ever embrace "a common Western ethos" or all of Christianity? You're talking about the country that invented the phrase "no Irish need apply", for crying out loud!

Do you know why the Knights of Columbus exists today? Catholics were so regularly barred from membership in trade unions (and therefore denied the life insurance coverage that many unions offered their members) that Catholic women and their families would regularly wind up destitute when their husbands were killed on the job, which happened quite a bit back in the day. IIRC, it's still illegal to be Mormon in Missouri. Throughout the history of the United States, Christians have been persecuted for their beliefs.

Certain forms of Christianity and certain "Western" ideas may have been traditionally promoted in the US, but just as many were repressed. Historically, the United States was as anti-Christian and anti-Western as it was pro-Christian and pro-Western. It all depended which part of "Christian" and "Western" we're talking about.

Random thought:

It's still illegal for a monarch in the UK to marry a Catholic.

 

[Caladan]

This is a particularly interesting topic.
Being born and living in Brazil my entire ( small ) life, i have trouble understanding how sustaining a religious or racial identity can be desirable for any country.
From my perspective, it just generates conflicts, hatred and deaths.

And yet most countries do it. I am bit puzzeld why you don't understand actually.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Random thought:

It's still illegal for a monarch in the UK to marry a Catholic.

... or for a Catholic to ascend to the throne.

And since Canadian law makes the British monarch our monarch as well, by extension, these restrictions apply to the Canadian head of state as well.

I think it's shameful and it's a big part of why I'm in favour of abolishing the monarchy.

... though all this underscores the point I was making before. Often, a Christian has no greater threat than a Christian of some other denomination.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I always thought Lenin had an interesting take on the matter.