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Of course there were. Anyone who was a follower or disciple of Jesus Christ was a Christian, regardless of what name they may have gone by.There were no "Christians" directly after "Christ's resurrection".
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Of course there were. Anyone who was a follower or disciple of Jesus Christ was a Christian, regardless of what name they may have gone by.There were no "Christians" directly after "Christ's resurrection".
Of course there were. Anyone who was a follower or disciple of Jesus Christ was a Christian, regardless of what name they may have gone by.
Because Constantine was a smart politician, and in 321 CE many years away from becoming a Christian.Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus, when God’s Sabbath, the day of rest was on the 7th day?
THANK YOU. I have seen plenty of calendars with Monday as the first day of the week. It's even an option in MS Office and stuff.In order to turn Sunday into the 7th day of the week, (the day of rest the Genesis speaks of), Italians have stated that the week starts with Monday and the 7th day was called dies dominica, day of the Lord. But it's Sunday.
Saturday was called Sabbatum after Shabat, but it is the sixth day in Italy
Dear God, I managed to find something else Paul said that might actually hold true.Romans 14
Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.
But seriously, we didn't always have the calendar tropes we have now. No one was around on Day One of the Earth to label it something. For all you know, God rested on a Thursday.And that comment coming from a self professed Catholic from hell. The 8th day in Scripture is represented by the "Last Great Day", "the eighth day", following the 7 day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev 23:34,36). Eventually a bad day for bad people. "An offering by fire"
As for compatibility, Christmas is held on the Sol Invictus holiday every year.
Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god,
Because Constantine was a smart politician, and in 321 CE many years away from becoming a Christian.
Sunday wasn't a special day to Roman pagans, they weren't Sun god henotheists. Any day would relate to one of their gods.
While this is frequently stated as fact, it is merely one of several proposed option and has significant flaws (not least that the earliest possible reference is 354 and doesn't even say Sol Invictus on it, just Invictus which is not necessarily the same thing although it obviously could be):
Sol Invictus was the god of Constantine, and Constantine struck coins between 313 A.D.and 326 A.D. with the portrait of Sol Invictus.
Biblical Artifacts Ancient Coins and Artifacts from the Holy Land
The holy day set at the Council of Nicaea, was Easter, the feast of Astarte, which has nothing to do with Passover.
See below.While this is frequently stated as fact, it is merely one of several proposed option and has significant flaws (not least that the earliest possible reference is 354 and doesn't even say Sol Invictus on it, just Invictus which is not necessarily the same thing although it obviously could be):
It was never my intention to suggest that Constantine was responsible for the selection.the transformation of the Dies natalis solis invicti into Christmas was decreed by Constantine the Great as part of his general program of elevating Christianity to the main religion of the Roman empire
Theodosios didn't become emperor till 379 CE, whereas Constantine had died in 337 CE.According to the Roman court historian Eusebius, Constantine’s man Friday, Constantine was baptized on his death bed, and probably by Eusebius, who was a charter member of the non Trinity club of Arius, which would make him a non “Christian”, per the royal decree of the Emperor Theodosius.
See below.
It was never my intention to suggest that Constantine was responsible for the selection.
As you know, no date of birth is attributed to Jesus in the NT, and various suggestions were around before we find Dec 25 in the 'Philocalian Calendar' (354 CE) representing Roman practice for 336 CE, incidentally the year before Constantine's death. Wikipedia says "On 25 December 274 AD the Roman emperor Aurelian made [Sol Invictus] an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults," citing Manfred Clauss, Die römischen Kaiser p. 250. That would seem to make the case for Dec 25 as the Natalis Solis Invicti festival, obviously a midwinter observance.
Thanks. All interesting though nothing definitive. Ain't history fun!For an alternative perspective, might be interested in this:
Steven Hijmans, "Sol Invictus, the Winter Solstice, and the Origins of Christmas"
Theodosios didn't become emperor till 379 CE, whereas Constantine had died in 337 CE.
Constantine was in power for 30 years, and there were around 19 different mints in the Empire. That is time for a lot of different coins to be minted and they had all kinds of different designs.
This site notes 1,363 different coins from his reign, some with pagan symbols, some Christian, some with family members, some about victories, some with other symbols, etc.
And your justification for 'feast of Astarte' would be...
It just goes to show why absolute rulers are a terrible idea.Theodosius by way of his Edict of Thessalonica in 380 A.D., formally established that the "Nicene Trinitarian" Christianity to be the only legitimate Imperil religion. Other "Christians" he declared "foolish madmen". Under that criteria, Constantine was baptized by a "foolish madmen", as Eusebius was a supporter of Arius, a non Trinity cleric.
You are going to have to take a moment to explain why the first day of the week is the eight day of the week....
Why is the “Christian” day of rest, the 8th day?
Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus, when God’s Sabbath, the day of rest was on the 7th day? The 7th day still relates to its conjunction with the millennium, when there will be a “covenant of peace” with the combined sticks of “Judah” and “Israel” (Ezekiel 37), on the land that God gave to Jacob?
Could it be that the 8th day (Leviticus 23:36), the first day of the next week, represents the rest which the followers of the Roman church of Constantine, and his sun god, the dragon (Rev 13:4), established in 325 A.D. , will enter into their rest, the 2nd death?
Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)
On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity