Why is the “Christian” day of rest, on the 8th day?

[Katzpur]

There were no "Christians" directly after "Christ's resurrection".

Of course there were. Anyone who was a follower or disciple of Jesus Christ was a Christian, regardless of what name they may have gone by.

 

[2ndpillar]

Of course there were. Anyone who was a follower or disciple of Jesus Christ was a Christian, regardless of what name they may have gone by.

So says your average Mormon. I hate to tell you that all the actual apostles kept the Law, and were not called "Christians" and the Jews had a problem with Paul, and many vowed to kill the "Liar", as he was apparently referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls, whose writers had vowed not to rest until they to killed this liar. Kind of sounds like your buddy Paul, doesn't it?

 

[blü 2]

Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus, when God’s Sabbath, the day of rest was on the 7th day?

Because Constantine was a smart politician, and in 321 CE many years away from becoming a Christian.

And it's not as if Christianity has any ground to complain about the result, by which its Roman version ended up as the church, incidentally Christian, of Europe until they got slack and Luther ended the monopoly.

As for compatibility, Christmas is held on the Sol Invictus holiday every year.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

In order to turn Sunday into the 7th day of the week, (the day of rest the Genesis speaks of), Italians have stated that the week starts with Monday and the 7th day was called dies dominica, day of the Lord. But it's Sunday.
Saturday was called Sabbatum after Shabat, but it is the sixth day in Italy

THANK YOU. I have seen plenty of calendars with Monday as the first day of the week. It's even an option in MS Office and stuff.

Saturday and Sunday: Week END

Romans 14
Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.
5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

Dear God, I managed to find something else Paul said that might actually hold true.

And that comment coming from a self professed Catholic from hell. The 8th day in Scripture is represented by the "Last Great Day", "the eighth day", following the 7 day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev 23:34,36). Eventually a bad day for bad people. "An offering by fire"

But seriously, we didn't always have the calendar tropes we have now. No one was around on Day One of the Earth to label it something. For all you know, God rested on a Thursday.

 

[Augustus]

As for compatibility, Christmas is held on the Sol Invictus holiday every year.

While this is frequently stated as fact, it is merely one of several proposed option and has significant flaws (not least that the earliest possible reference is 354 and doesn't even say Sol Invictus on it, just Invictus which is not necessarily the same thing although it obviously could be):

Among the more popular, but also less credible, claims that have subsequently been associated with HRT is the idea that the transformation of the Dies natalis solis invicti into Christmas was decreed by Constantine the Great as part of his general program of elevating Christianity to the main religion of the Roman empire, while fusing it with his own solar piety. Aside from the lack of source evidence, this thesis completely fails to account for the fact that Constantinople, the city inaugurated by Constantine himself in 330 as the new capital of his empire, had to wait until 380 for the actual introduction.

That studies emphasizing the "pagan" roots of Christmas have been fraught with a certain tendency towards confirmation bias, has recently been argued by Steven Hijmans, whose research into the iconography of the sun in Roman religion has paved the way for a critical re-evaluation of HRT. Using numismatic, archaeological, epigraphic and literary evidence from the second to fourth centuries, Hijmans is able to show that the idea of Christmas being preceded by a popular and important feast dedicated to the sun god is to a considerable extent founded on anachronisms and a view of Roman religion that rests on nineteenth-century constructs rather than hard facts. His skeptical and revisionist conclusions also demolishes the thesis that "Sol Invictus" was a new and distinct deity, whose cult was imported from the East in the third century and became the occasion of a major festival on December 25.


The Origins of the Christmas Date: Some Recent Trends in Historical Research
C. P. E. Nothaft
Church History, Vol. 81, No. 4 (DECEMBER 2012), pp. 903-911

Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god,

The best thing about this argument is that it works for any day of the week as all their names have pagan symbolism

Sunday wasn't a special day to Roman pagans, they weren't Sun god henotheists. Any day would relate to one of their gods.

 

[2ndpillar]

Because Constantine was a smart politician, and in 321 CE many years away from becoming a Christian.

According to the Roman court historian Eusebius, Constantine’s man Friday, Constantine was baptized on his death bed, and probably by Eusebius, who was a charter member of the non Trinity club of Arius, which would make him a non “Christian”, per the royal decree of the Emperor Theodosius.

 

[2ndpillar]

Sunday wasn't a special day to Roman pagans, they weren't Sun god henotheists. Any day would relate to one of their gods.

Sol Invictus was the god of Constantine, and Constantine struck coins between 313 A.D.and 326 A.D. with the portrait of Sol Invictus.
Biblical Artifacts Ancient Coins and Artifacts from the Holy Land

 

[2ndpillar]

While this is frequently stated as fact, it is merely one of several proposed option and has significant flaws (not least that the earliest possible reference is 354 and doesn't even say Sol Invictus on it, just Invictus which is not necessarily the same thing although it obviously could be):

The holy day set at the Council of Nicaea, was Easter, the feast of Astarte, which has nothing to do with Passover.

 

[Augustus]

Sol Invictus was the god of Constantine, and Constantine struck coins between 313 A.D.and 326 A.D. with the portrait of Sol Invictus.
Biblical Artifacts Ancient Coins and Artifacts from the Holy Land

Constantine was in power for 30 years, and there were around 19 different mints in the Empire. That is time for a lot of different coins to be minted and they had all kinds of different designs.

This site notes 1,363 different coins from his reign, some with pagan symbols, some Christian, some with family members, some about victories, some with other symbols, etc.

The holy day set at the Council of Nicaea, was Easter, the feast of Astarte, which has nothing to do with Passover.

And your justification for 'feast of Astarte' would be...

 

[ChristineM]

Depends what day you start your week

 

[blü 2]

While this is frequently stated as fact, it is merely one of several proposed option and has significant flaws (not least that the earliest possible reference is 354 and doesn't even say Sol Invictus on it, just Invictus which is not necessarily the same thing although it obviously could be):

See below.

the transformation of the Dies natalis solis invicti into Christmas was decreed by Constantine the Great as part of his general program of elevating Christianity to the main religion of the Roman empire

It was never my intention to suggest that Constantine was responsible for the selection.

As you know, no date of birth is attributed to Jesus in the NT, and various suggestions were around before we find Dec 25 in the 'Philocalian Calendar' (354 CE) representing Roman practice for 336 CE, incidentally the year before Constantine's death. Wikipedia says "On 25 December 274 AD the Roman emperor Aurelian made [Sol Invictus] an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults," citing Manfred Clauss, Die römischen Kaiser p. 250. That would seem to make the case for Dec 25 as the Natalis Solis Invicti festival, obviously a midwinter observance.

 

[blü 2]

According to the Roman court historian Eusebius, Constantine’s man Friday, Constantine was baptized on his death bed, and probably by Eusebius, who was a charter member of the non Trinity club of Arius, which would make him a non “Christian”, per the royal decree of the Emperor Theodosius.

Theodosios didn't become emperor till 379 CE, whereas Constantine had died in 337 CE.

 

[Augustus]

See below.

It was never my intention to suggest that Constantine was responsible for the selection.

As you know, no date of birth is attributed to Jesus in the NT, and various suggestions were around before we find Dec 25 in the 'Philocalian Calendar' (354 CE) representing Roman practice for 336 CE, incidentally the year before Constantine's death. Wikipedia says "On 25 December 274 AD the Roman emperor Aurelian made [Sol Invictus] an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults," citing Manfred Clauss, Die römischen Kaiser p. 250. That would seem to make the case for Dec 25 as the Natalis Solis Invicti festival, obviously a midwinter observance.

For an alternative perspective, might be interested in this:

Steven Hijmans, "Sol Invictus, the Winter Solstice, and the Origins of Christmas"

 

[blü 2]

For an alternative perspective, might be interested in this:

Steven Hijmans, "Sol Invictus, the Winter Solstice, and the Origins of Christmas"

Thanks. All interesting though nothing definitive. Ain't history fun!

 

[2ndpillar]

Theodosios didn't become emperor till 379 CE, whereas Constantine had died in 337 CE.

Theodosius by way of his Edict of Thessalonica in 380 A.D., formally established that the "Nicene Trinitarian" Christianity to be the only legitimate Imperil religion. Other "Christians" he declared "foolish madmen". Under that criteria, Constantine was baptized by a "foolish madmen", as Eusebius was a supporter of Arius, a non Trinity cleric.


On 27 February 380, together with Gratian and Valentinian II, Theodosius issued the decree "Cunctos populos", the so-called "Edict of Thessalonica", recorded in the Codex Theodosianus xvi.1.2. This declared the Nicene Trinitarian Christianity to be the only legitimate Imperial religion and the only one entitled to call itself Catholic. Other Christians he described as "foolish madmen".[14] He also ended official state support for the traditional Polytheism religions and customs.[15]


On 26 November 380, two days after he had arrived in Constantinople, Theodosius expelled the non-Nicene bishop, Demophilus of Constantinople, and appointed Meletius patriarch of Antioch, and Gregory of Nazianzus, one of the Cappadocian Fathers from Antioch (today in Turkey), patriarch of Constantinople. Theodosius had just been baptized, by bishop Acholius of Thessalonica, during a severe illness, as was common in the early Christian world.[citation needed]


In May 381, Theodosius summoned a new ecumenical council at Constantinople (see First Council of Constantinople) to repair the schism between East and West on the basis of Nicean orthodoxy.[16] "The council went on to define orthodoxy, including the mysterious Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, who, though equal to the Father, 'proceeded' from Him, whereas the Son was 'begotten' of Him."[17] The council also "condemned the Apollonarian and Macedonian heresies, clarified jurisdictions of the state church of the Roman Empire according to the civil boundaries of dioceses and ruled that Constantinople was second in precedence to Rome."[17] The death of Valens, the Arians' protector, probably damaged the standing of the Homoian faction wikipedia

 

[2ndpillar]

Constantine was in power for 30 years, and there were around 19 different mints in the Empire. That is time for a lot of different coins to be minted and they had all kinds of different designs.

This site notes 1,363 different coins from his reign, some with pagan symbols, some Christian, some with family members, some about victories, some with other symbols, etc.

And your justification for 'feast of Astarte' would be...

There is no justification for the "feast of Astarte" other than the "Christian" bishops hated the Jews, and wanted to cut any ties.

Coin of Emperor Constantine I depicting Sol Invictus with the legend SOLI INVICTO COMITI, c.
Sol Invictus - Wikipedia

 

[blü 2]

Theodosius by way of his Edict of Thessalonica in 380 A.D., formally established that the "Nicene Trinitarian" Christianity to be the only legitimate Imperil religion. Other "Christians" he declared "foolish madmen". Under that criteria, Constantine was baptized by a "foolish madmen", as Eusebius was a supporter of Arius, a non Trinity cleric.

It just goes to show why absolute rulers are a terrible idea.

 

[Faithofchristian]

While most Christians are taught that Sunday being the day of worship.

But there is nothing in the Bible to support this teaching of man's.

For a day change to come about, from the 7th day Sabbath, to the first day of the week Sunday

Then would have had to be done before Christ Jesus was nailed to the cross.for it to been sealed in the blood of Christ Jesus.

Therefore Sunday as a day of worship, is two days to late to be apart of the new testament. Because Christ Jesus did say in Matthew 26:28--"For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"

Therefore for Sunday worship to be apart of the New Testament, then Christ Jesus would had to do a day change before he was nailed to the cross. To seal it in his blood.
So where in the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to where Christ Jesus said anything about a day change of the day of worship ?

Alot of Christians will go other books of the new testament to fortify their Sunday worship.
But that will not work, for any day of worship to be apart of the new testament, then Christ Jesus would have had to done that before he sealed the New Testament in his blood and dies on the cross.
By Christ Jesus dieing on the cross, he gave his blood to seal the New Testament in his blood.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament is of force after men are dead, otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator is alive"

While a person is alive, their testament (will) is of no force, But when they die, then their testament (will) becomes a force, that can not be change.

Let's say you write out a testament, In your testament you can change things in it, any time you want to. But after you die, whatever is in your testament stands as is, nothing can be change without your permission first.

Therefore for Sunday worship to be apart of the New Testament, Christ Jesus would have to come back and do away with the cross and his blood of the New Testament, and do everything all over again. To seal Sunday worship in the New Testament.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You are going to have to take a moment to explain why the first day of the week is the eight day of the week....

For the same reason their god is both one being and three beings at the same time, presumably.

 

[Fool]

Why is the “Christian” day of rest, the 8th day?

Why did Constantine, in 321 A.D. establish the “day of the sun” (Sunday), as the day of rest, in honor of his sun god, Sol Invictus, when God’s Sabbath, the day of rest was on the 7th day? The 7th day still relates to its conjunction with the millennium, when there will be a “covenant of peace” with the combined sticks of “Judah” and “Israel” (Ezekiel 37), on the land that God gave to Jacob?

Could it be that the 8th day (Leviticus 23:36), the first day of the next week, represents the rest which the followers of the Roman church of Constantine, and his sun god, the dragon (Rev 13:4), established in 325 A.D. , will enter into their rest, the 2nd death?

Constantine's law of…321 [C.E] uniting Christians and pagans in the observance of the "venerable day of the sun" It is to be noted that this official solar worship, the final form of paganism in the empire…, was not the traditional Roman-Greek religion of Jupiter, Apollo, Venus, and the other Olympian deities. It was a product of the mingling Hellenistic-Oriental elements, exemplified in Aurelian's establishment of Eastern Sun worship at Rome as the official religion of the empire, and in his new temple enshrining Syrian statutes statues of Bel and the sun…. Thus at last Bel, the god of Babylon, came into the official imperial temple of Rome, the center of the imperial religion. It was this late Roman-Oriental worship of one supreme god, symbolized by the sun and absorbing lesser divinities as subordinates or manifestations of the universal deity, that competed with young Christianity. This was the Roman religion that went down in defeat but infiltrated and colored the victorious church with its own elements, some of which can be seen to this day. (Cramer 4)

On March 7, 321, Sunday was declared the official day of rest, on which markets were banned and public offices were closed,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

octave | Origin and meaning of octave by Online Etymology Dictionary

because the eigth day is the day of the lemniscate - day of silence; which transcends space/time. it's an octave


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