King Phenomenon
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Did I say that? NopeDoes disbelief in God makes people hopeless? I am a strong atheist and have never given up against odds.
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Did I say that? NopeDoes disbelief in God makes people hopeless? I am a strong atheist and have never given up against odds.
So why did this heavenly spirit body have holes in the hands? That part always made me laugh. Why have the body miraculously resurrected and leave holes? Not quite enough miracle juice to finish the job? And the idea that it was a different body with identical wounds makes even less sense.I think you missed the point that Jesus was Not resurrected back to his old physical body, but his God resurrected Jesus back to his former pre-human heavenly spirit body.
This is why after his resurrection Jesus used different materialized bodies.
People did Not recognize the resurrected Jesus until he revealed himself to them - see Luke 24:13-43
This is not true at all!The Quran agrees with you @SeekingAllTruth Even though the translations are all over the field, they agree on that point.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
And you are 100% correct!act: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
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Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
I think you missed the point that Jesus was Not resurrected back to his old physical body, but his God resurrected Jesus back to his former pre-human heavenly spirit body.
This is why after his resurrection Jesus used different materialized bodies.
People did Not recognize the resurrected Jesus until he revealed himself to them - see Luke 24:13-43
Look at what's happening in India right now and then tell me God is good.
Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
Why" the empty tomb " of Jesus?Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
The resurrection is part of a mythical religious story. The intent of which is to convey a revelation, and a promise. Treating it as if it were a newspaper or history book is missing the point. No "belief" is required of you by the story. Belief comes after you have discerned the message and the promise posed by the story, and you try it out in your life to see if it manifests.Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
Notice I didn't say, "I refuse to" The point is I cannot believe in it.
I watched a debate on the resurrection this morning. At some point, Matt Dillahunty came out and asked "Do you have anything outside the Bible to support the resurrection." Jonathan McLatchie answered. "NO."
That's it in a nutshell. All apologists--Craig, Licona, Horn, Woods, et al use nothing but the Bible to lay out their "evidence" Jesus rose. Claim: the apostles saw something that convinced them. Fact: There is no secular evidence anywhere outside the Bible that mentions the apostles. Claim: the empty tomb. Fact we have no empty tomb. Claim: the apostles were willing to die for their belief. Fact: we have nothing inside and outside the Bible that mentions what most of the apostles subsequently did or how they died. Claim: There were eyewitnesses. Fact: Nobody outside the Bible recorded a single thing about seeing Jesus after he was crucified.
Outrageous claim:
The historical evidence shows that: the grave was empty; the grave clothes were neatly left behind; the stone enclosing the tomb was rolled away; the body of Jesus was never found.
10 Concise Pieces of Evidence for the Resurrection - The Gospel Coalition | Canada
WHAT historical evidence????????
I mean in the link above it gets much MUCH worse than that.
Fact: take away the Bible and any "proof" for Jesus' resurrection collapses.
The Gospels are very weak evidence. Something much stronger is required for a rational belief.I think the same is with every claim, if you take away all evidence, there is nothing to believe. I think your idea is not very reasonable.
There really is not. The "evidence" outside of the Bible only amounts to the obvious, that there were people who believed the Jesus story.First, there IS evidence outside the Bible.
Second, start with the Bible and use logic. Why did 12 teams of writers risk expulsion from Jewish life and culture and persecution by Rome to bring you a falsehood about the resurrection?
PS. I'll provide 1) once you deal with 2).
There was no recovering from his injuries in a couple days. Only option is the Bible account that He rose from the dead after they killed HimAssuming Jesus existed and was really crucified, I just think strings were pulled to get him down early so he could recover for a few days and then flee up into the mountains (I mean, "Heaven").
Yes. God should have known the precise amount of evidence it would take to convince the world his son was crucified for our sins. The fact he did NOT is evidenced by the fact that 2/3's of the world cannot believe in Jesus either. Their failure to believe is on God's shoulders, not theirs.Is that what people are going to say when they meet their maker, “ There was no proof except in the Bible”?
That is the most bizarre explanation I have ever read. But I like it.Jesus's dad was God. Jesus's mom was Jewish and human. His appearance would have been somewhat Jewish, probably. So, brown or black curly hair, likely a hairy body. This presumes that he looks like the men on his mom's side of the family.
But, when Christ (not Jesus) rose from the grave, he didn't look at all like Jesus. Rather, he had long white/blond hair, and red eyes.
So, if the resurrection was some kind of hoax designed to fool us, they would have picked someone who looked like Jesus. But, since the resurrected Christ looked nothing like Jesus, that should be proof positive that the event really did happen.
That is, if he looks nothing like what he used to look like, he must be the same guy.