Why Economics Says America’s Collapse is Probably Irreversible Now

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"A few years ago, I wrote a post called "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">“Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse.” Sadly, I think my predictions have proven to be true — though I suppose you can judge that for yourself. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">90,000 dead and counting. A president who calls the "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">death toll a “badge of honor.” A paralysed Congress. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">40 million unemployed. Today, I often get the question, “Why are you negative, Umair?” or, “What can be done to fix all this?” These are really the same question, and my answer, which you probably won’t like, goes like this: we’re still underestimating American collapse.

The "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">economics of American collapse say that it’s probably too late to fix America. It’s probable that this is the new normal. Chaos, decline, incompetence, malice, poverty, hopelessness, despair.

Let me explain, as clearly as I can.

You can see, right about now, that America is what political scientists call a failed state. A President who tells people to drink bleach during a pandemic. 90,000 dead, of which 90% are needless. A society that’s not able to provide basics for it’s citizens anymore. A nation in which income, savings, life expectancy, happiness, trust are all in free-fall. This is the stuff of epic social collapse." continued at It’s Not that I’m Negative, America Really is Screwed

Can't find the lie.

But don't worry, I'm sure the resident MAGAts will be along directly to explain how trump's gunna fix everything by doubling the national debt again and persecuting brown people while further reducing revenue.

 

[oldbadger]

"A few years ago, I wrote a post called "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">“Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse.” Sadly, I think my predictions have proven to be true — though I suppose you can judge that for yourself. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">90,000 dead and counting. A president who calls the "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">death toll a “badge of honor.” A paralysed Congress. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">40 million unemployed. Today, I often get the question, “Why are you negative, Umair?” or, “What can be done to fix all this?” These are really the same question, and my answer, which you probably won’t like, goes like this: we’re still underestimating American collapse.

The "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">economics of American collapse say that it’s probably too late to fix America. It’s probable that this is the new normal. Chaos, decline, incompetence, malice, poverty, hopelessness, despair.

Let me explain, as clearly as I can.

You can see, right about now, that America is what political scientists call a failed state. A President who tells people to drink bleach during a pandemic. 90,000 dead, of which 90% are needless. A society that’s not able to provide basics for it’s citizens anymore. A nation in which income, savings, life expectancy, happiness, trust are all in free-fall. This is the stuff of epic social collapse." continued at It’s Not that I’m Negative, America Really is Screwed

Can't find the lie.

But don't worry, I'm sure the resident MAGAts will be along directly to explain how trump's gunna fix everything by doubling the national debt again and persecuting brown people while further reducing revenue.

Not good.
If there is any collapse, what might rise up out of the mess?
There are some shocking possibilities.

 

[Father Heathen]

And the sad thing is that no one will ever own up to their pisspoor decisions and mistakes and will blame everyone but themselves.

 

[Father Heathen]

If there is any collapse, what might rise up out of the mess?

 

[Stevicus]

Can't find the lie.

But don't worry, I'm sure the resident MAGAts will be along directly to explain how trump's gunna fix everything by doubling the national debt again and persecuting brown people while further reducing revenue.

I've known America has been screwed since the 1980s. But people back then were thinking that our economy was "good" and believed that Reagan's policies were taking America in the right direction. The thing is, if our economy is not good now, then it was never "good" in the 1980s either - or any time since then - even if some people were deluded into thinking that it was. Those of us with foresight knew full well that America was heading for a fall, but too many myopic people refused to believe it. Both Democrats and Republicans are/were fully complicit in the demise of America's economy.

I'm not sure that it's irreversible, though. I think it's still possible to turn the economy around, but it will require radical changes - the kind which should have been implemented back in the 1960s when people were calling for radical change. Too many people were afraid of change and had a disdain for radicals, so instead we chose to numb ourselves on Ronald Reagan and sing "Don't Worry, Be Happy."

It's not just the Republicans, either. Clinton and Obama each had two terms where they could have reversed the course America was on, but they didn't - because they were suffering the same delusions as everyone else. This doesn't mitigate anything Trump has done, but let's face it: The reason Trump has such an ardent fanbase now is because so many Americans have been lied to for decades by many of the same people.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I've known America has been screwed since the 1980s. But people back then were thinking that our economy was "good" and believed that Reagan's policies were taking America in the right direction. The thing is, if our economy is not good now, then it was never "good" in the 1980s either - or any time since then - even if some people were deluded into thinking that it was. Those of us with foresight knew full well that America was heading for a fall, but too many myopic people refused to believe it. Both Democrats and Republicans are/were fully complicit in the demise of America's economy.

I'm not sure that it's irreversible, though. I think it's still possible to turn the economy around, but it will require radical changes - the kind which should have been implemented back in the 1960s when people were calling for radical change. Too many people were afraid of change and had a disdain for radicals, so instead we chose to numb ourselves on Ronald Reagan and sing "Don't Worry, Be Happy."

It's not just the Republicans, either. Clinton and Obama each had two terms where they could have reversed the course America was on, but they didn't - because they were suffering the same delusions as everyone else. This doesn't mitigate anything Trump has done, but let's face it: The reason Trump has such an ardent fanbase now is because so many Americans have been lied to for decades by many of the same people.

The article doesn't blame trump. I suspect the author thinks much as I do, trump is a symptom, not a cause.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Laugh now.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And the sad thing is that no one will ever own up to their pisspoor decisions and mistakes and will blame everyone but themselves.

The REALLY sad thing is that people will focus on blaming someone, rather than doing anything constructive to fix the issue.

 

[PureX]

It is still reversible. But sadly, we are still not going to reverse it. Because we are still too sick as a people to do what we need to do to reverse it.

And sadly, it will soon become irreversible, and then even if we did decide to act, we will not be effective.

The prognosis is not good. The greed and stupidity are too pervasive. And so are the fear and selfishness that it fuels.

The solution is simple: we need to vote out of office every incumbent candidate in every election regardless of their party affiliation, unless and until we get people in there who prove that they will ACT (not just talk) to stop the legalized bribery of our legislative branch of government (the Congress and the Senate). Because until we stop the corruption caused by this wholesale and legalized bribery of our lawmakers, NOTHING ELSE CAN CHANGE OR BE FIXED. And they are currently rigging and corrupting our electoral system to the point where soon, our votes will have no effect. And then we will have lost the ability to correct the problem short of a violent revolution, which would almost certainly be horrendous, and result in an even worse mess than what we have, now.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It is still reversible. But sadly, we are still not going to reverse it. Because we are still too sick as a people to do what we need to do to reverse it.

And sadly, it will soon become irreversible, and even if we do decide to to act, then, we will not be effective.

The prognosis is not good. The greed and stupidity are too pervasive. And so are the fear and selfishness that it fuels.

The solution is simple: we need to vote out of office every incumbent candidate in every election regardless of their party affiliation, unless and until we get people in there who prove they will ACT (not just talk) to stop the legalized bribery of our legislative branch of government (the Congress and the Senate). Because until we stop the corruption caused by this wholesale and legalized bribery of our lawmakers, NOTHING ELSE CAN CHANGE OR BE FIXED. And they are currently rigging and corrupting our electoral system to the point where soon, our votes will have no effect. And then we will have lost the ability to correct the problem short of a violent revolution, which would almost certainly be horrendous, and result in an even worse mess than what we have, now.

What do you think will mark the point of no return? I'm curious to know what makes you think we haven't reached it yet? I hope you're right.

 

[Father Heathen]

I try to be hopeful and optimistic. Maybe we need to bounce off of a hard surface to learn the lesson needed.

 

[Brickjectivity]

@Kangaroo Feathers it seems to be hyperbole to call US a failed state. JCPenny and some others declared banktrupcy. The most noticeable things about daily life here are the social distancing rules, masks, etc. We're not dying - most of us. Most of us are Ok.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

@Kangaroo Feathers it seems to be hyperbole to call US a failed state. JCPenny and some others declared banktrupcy. The most noticeable things about daily life here are the social distancing rules, masks, etc. We're not dying - most of us. Most of us are Ok.

Maybe read the whole article?

 

[Stevicus]

The REALLY sad thing is that people will focus on blaming someone, rather than doing anything constructive to fix the issue.

It doesn't necessarily have to be about blame, but I think we should at least be willing to look at certain policies and say "these are the mistakes that we made." I think that's what seems to go missing in a lot of these discussions.

Both sides appear so stubbornly entrenched in their positions that there's very little room for self-reflection or any cogent analysis of what mistakes were made and what was the line of thinking that led to those mistakes.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Kangaroo Feathers it seems to be hyperbole to call US a failed state. JCPenny and some others declared banktrupcy. The most noticeable things about daily life here are the social distancing rules, masks, etc. We're not dying - most of us. Most of us are Ok.

Aye, we & many other countries are facing a major challenge.
We've recovered from such things before. I see no reason
that we cannot now. I'm optimistic.

 

[Salvador]

"A few years ago, I wrote a post called "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">“Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse.” Sadly, I think my predictions have proven to be true — though I suppose you can judge that for yourself. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">90,000 dead and counting. A president who calls the "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">death toll a “badge of honor.” A paralysed Congress. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">40 million unemployed. Today, I often get the question, “Why are you negative, Umair?” or, “What can be done to fix all this?” These are really the same question, and my answer, which you probably won’t like, goes like this: we’re still underestimating American collapse.

The "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">economics of American collapse say that it’s probably too late to fix America. It’s probable that this is the new normal. Chaos, decline, incompetence, malice, poverty, hopelessness, despair.

Let me explain, as clearly as I can.

You can see, right about now, that America is what political scientists call a failed state. A President who tells people to drink bleach during a pandemic. 90,000 dead, of which 90% are needless. A society that’s not able to provide basics for it’s citizens anymore. A nation in which income, savings, life expectancy, happiness, trust are all in free-fall. This is the stuff of epic social collapse." continued at It’s Not that I’m Negative, America Really is Screwed

Can't find the lie.

But don't worry, I'm sure the resident MAGAts will be along directly to explain how trump's gunna fix everything by doubling the national debt again and persecuting brown people while further reducing revenue.

America eventually recovered from the Spanish/Kansas flu pandemic,of 1918, which was even worse than this Wuhan Corona virus fiasco, I'm confident America will soon again have a Trumped-up economy.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

America . recovered from the Spanish/Kansas flu pandemic,of 1918, which was even worse than this Wuhan Corona virus fiasco, I'm confident America will soon again have a Trumped-up economy.

Maybe read the article before commenting ? It's not about the current pandemic.

 

[PureX]

What do you think will mark the point of no return? I'm curious to know what makes you think we haven't reached it yet? I hope you're right.

Our selfishness is now so pervasive that we really don't care if our neighbors or fellow citizens suffer or die as result of our corrupt, brutal, and incompetent economic and political policies. All we care about is ourselves and our own. So the only thing that will spur us to take action, now, will be for ourselves and our loved ones to be seriously hurt or killed by this total failure of our social, economic, and political systems. That's when the suffering will become real enough for us to finally be willing to act. Even then, we will need someone or something to tell us what we can do. Or our actions will just be chaotic and self-destructive.

But by then, I suspect, it will be too late, anyway.

Maybe if this virus kills enough of us quickly enough that we are all directly touched by the death and suffering, we will be willing to take action, quickly, before it's too late. ... That's a very sad thing to have to hope for, though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

"A few years ago, I wrote a post called "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">“Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse.” Sadly, I think my predictions have proven to be true — though I suppose you can judge that for yourself. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">90,000 dead and counting. A president who calls the "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">death toll a “badge of honor.” A paralysed Congress. "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">40 million unemployed. Today, I often get the question, “Why are you negative, Umair?” or, “What can be done to fix all this?” These are really the same question, and my answer, which you probably won’t like, goes like this: we’re still underestimating American collapse.

The "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px);">economics of American collapse say that it’s probably too late to fix America. It’s probable that this is the new normal. Chaos, decline, incompetence, malice, poverty, hopelessness, despair.

Let me explain, as clearly as I can.

You can see, right about now, that America is what political scientists call a failed state. A President who tells people to drink bleach during a pandemic. 90,000 dead, of which 90% are needless. A society that’s not able to provide basics for it’s citizens anymore. A nation in which income, savings, life expectancy, happiness, trust are all in free-fall. This is the stuff of epic social collapse." continued at It’s Not that I’m Negative, America Really is Screwed

Can't find the lie.

But don't worry, I'm sure the resident MAGAts will be along directly to explain how trump's gunna fix everything by doubling the national debt again and persecuting brown people while further reducing revenue.

Yes we all know the left are the true saviors of the world.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The REALLY sad thing is that people will focus on blaming someone, rather than doing anything constructive to fix the issue.

Now thats something thats reasonable.

It's going to take however, a brand new third-party to do that, who is not beholden or associated with either Democrats or Republicans.