Tumah
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I like the part where he describes his own death
The Talmud already dealt with that 1,500 years ago. Sorry.
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I like the part where he describes his own death
You have heard of the Documentary Hypothesis?That might be true if there was only one Jew in every generation and it was just a statement made once, that was brought out of the noggin once a year and dusted off. But all my friends tell me they kept hearing the same thing from their fathers too. If Chinese telephone is anything like broken telephone, then the message at the end is supposed to be different not the same.
You have heard of the Documentary Hypothesis?
Yes Ma'am. It basically aims to answer all the questions that Jewish commentary has already answered.
Compiled is an interesting term here.There is no evidence that the Pentateuch was compiled before 5th century BCE.
The Talmud already dealt with that 1,500 years ago. Sorry.
But were not satisfactorily answered by those commentaries. There is no evidence that the Pentateuch was compiled before 5th century BCE.
So if the commentaries insist that it was handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai without giving evidence that was indeed the case, then those commentaries cannot be taken at face value.
Saying "Because my book says so" is not evidence.
A: The Bible is the accurate Word of God
B: How do you know the Bible is true?
A: Because God say so in the Bible.
That is circular reasoning.
Did they do it with any credibility historically though, is the question.
And how did they deal with the facts regarding modern archeology below?
#1 Why did Jews only worship the Canaanite deities that existed before them?
#2 Why did they start writing as a culture 1000 BC ish, using only the Canaanite alphabet?
#3 Why was there factually only a slow migration of Semitic people to te highlands of Israel after 1200 BC, 50 years after the Canaanite civilizations collapsed?
Who decides whether their answer was objectively credible?
Only or also?
I think you mean Paleo-Hebrew?
And I don't think you mean that they started writing as a culture in 1000, but that there is only one existent artifact that dates that far back
. The next one dates 200 years later.
I don't know
Do you mean theory (the difference being whether it absolutely happened that way, or whether current archaeological records seem to indicate this)?
If I don't have all the answers, am I wrong?
That might be true if there was only one Jew in every generation and it was just a statement made once, that was brought out of the noggin once a year and dusted off. But all my friends tell me they kept hearing the same thing from their fathers too. If Chinese telephone is anything like broken telephone, then the message at the end is supposed to be different not the same.
Scholars and historians.
The Talmud was written 1400 years after the formation of Israelites as a people, and only reflects a small portion of what was early Judaism.
Only.
These deities existed long before Israelites as a culture existed, in part of the Canaanite pantheon of deities.
I think that we see quite clearly that is about the time the people who settled the highlands started writing.
This is what Finkelstien claims as fact.
Here is 139 people averaging 24 years each from 2448 AM to 5774 AM
I can see there are some rather legendary figures in your list.
So if your grandfather told you his grandfather told him that his grandfather had told him that his grandfather told him that he is a direct descendant of Paul Bunyan is that evidence that Paul Bunyan existed?
I mean the Japanese Emperors claim they were descended from the sun goddess Amaterasu, is this evidence for Amaterasu?
How about if I told my family believe that we are descended from Abdul Alhazred, would that be evidence that the Call of Cthulhu is factual?
If it was just my grandfather, I would agree. But I know a couple hundred thousand people who were also told that by their grandfathers too. So, at what point did an entire nation begin telling their children this myth? How does it begin and how does it progress?
The myth: my x-parents and all your other little Israelite friends' x- parents were at Sinai.
The difference between your Cthulhu and my Sinai Revelation, is that you have no one to corroborate your story. I have a lots. And the one who first made up the story and told it to your family was the sole witness, that your family chose to believe. The first one who made up my Sinai Revelation, had to convince all the other people that their families were there too, when that could be easily be contradicted (by asking their parents).
Therefore?A group of people having a national delusion is nothing new in history. The Roma claim divine descent, the Chinese have claimed divine descent, the Aztecs claimed divine descent. You have no evidence and it is impossible to corroborate that the Israelite received the Law from Moses who got it from God himself on Mount Sinai.
A group of people having a national delusion is nothing new in history. The Roma claim divine descent, the Chinese have claimed divine descent, the Aztecs claimed divine descent. You have no evidence and it is impossible to corroborate that the Israelite received the Law from Moses who got it from God himself on Mount Sinai.
Scholars and historians formulate theories based on the evidence that they have available to them. That doesn't mean they are right. That means that if all the information that was available to them was all the information to be had about a given subject, then they would be right.
So their credibility only extends as far as the current information. Their interpretations of the information are not objective facts.
I would argue it was written 2200 years after the formation of Israelites as a people.
And that doesn't mean they were wrong. Moses wrote up until the point that he died. Joshua filled in the last few verses. Nothing too crazy there.
Oh you have evidence that YHVH wasn't worshiped from 1200 BCE onward?
So I would expect to find Cannanite worship from around that time period.
I don't know who Finkelstein is. But I was fairly sure that scientists to state facts, but formulate theories. I guess I was wrong.
And apologist writing 1400 years after the fact are blind to the real history of their people and are apologetically biased.
The Talmud is not a historical authority of any kind for Israelites ethnogenesis.
You could.
Its just no credible historian would agree with you.
No one with credibility places Israelites before 1200 BC for a reason, they did not exist.
Moses is said to be a literary creation by scholars.
Israelites were Polytheistic and multi cultural almost to the NT times.
Monotheistic reforms by King Josiah did not start until 622 BC, and even then many people did not follow the governments reforms.
Canaanites worshiped Yahweh and El and Asherah and Baal before Israelites existed.
He is Israels head archeologist.
I'm not really sure there's anything else to be said here.
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