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Why Do Some Doubt The Deity of Christ?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by iris89, Dec 27, 2004.

  1. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    No.
    I am one who realises if a person cannot be truthful about the trivial matters they are most probably just as untruthful about the large ones.

    Considering the fact that your research led you to the conclusion that the canon of Wicca is wrong or false is extremely telling when I know that Wicca has no Canon.
    This too leads me to distrust any other research you`ve done.

    Then to find out that you base your research of the canon of Wicca on a book you glanced at in a used bookstore and read no further tells me that your research is not honest nor inclusive to any and all possibities.
    It is actually not research at all.

    Perhaps if you had actually read that book you would have known what it was, and what it was not.

    Tell me Iris how does one research a book that does not exist?

    What you did is the equivelent of me reading the first page of the Roman Missal and determining that the Bible is false.

    There is at this point no way I could ethically even consider any conclusion you have on anything valid whatsoever

    But please continue..I beg of you.

    :biglaugh:
     
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  2. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi Everyone



    What petty and silly to snipe at the trivial and of no importance and overlook the important things you should learn from, this situation was spoken of by Jesus (Yeshua) at Matthew 7:3, "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (American Standard Version; ASV). It is time that you start acting like grown ups, and start learning instead of snipping.



    You are snipping at what I wrote just to be snipping and not learning anything. Now let's look at what I said.

     
  3. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi Melody

    Fear not, I am in no way critizising you, I am tired of silly snipes by others.



    I went back in my post to find where I had used the word 'bizarre' and I found it was as a direct paraphrase of exactly what the Attorney General of the United States of America said about his writings at the time of the Waco affair. In my last post I asked these snipes if they do you not pay attention to significant news events in your country and the world? Why? Because their comments are ridicules and just an attempt to make a mountain out of a mole hill, in other words something out of nothing.



    The same applies to the item over the Wiccim in that I only mentioned by name a book I saw in a Chicago book store, and that with no further comment as part of a general topic on something else. Silly sniping on the part of the snipes who know who they are even though I am not naming them.



    Now what is sniping, the dictionary defines the verb snipe as follows:

     
  4. Hope

    Hope Princesinha

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    Iris, with all due respect, I believe you are going about your "enlightening others" in totally the wrong way. First of all, as others have pointed out, this is a debate thread, and in fact most threads in this forum are debate threads, so if you've no desire to debate, then it makes no sense why you are posting here. Secondly, you will gain no respect from others if you belittle them verbally, and condescendingly reprimand them for not seeing things or knowing things like you do ( such as, "it is a well-known fact that Jesus is the son of God", etc....). I am a Christian, so I am not arguing about many of the points you make, as I agree with a lot of them; however, what bothers me is the manner you are going about 'making your points.' I am sorry to say that you are just setting yourself up to be ragged on. People will never listen to you or respect you if you first don't respect them!! People don't enjoy being 'talked down to.' As a follower of Yeshua, I would urge you to look at His example. He talked to them---not down at them. He met them where they were. He was the ultimate example of humility and grace. One could spout words of wisdom all day long, but unless one gets past their own 'enlightened state' to see and treat other people as simply that---people---they will never be seen as more than full of hot air.

    Grace and peace to you.....
     
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  5. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi Hope

    FIRST, I do not debate nor post on debate forums. Someone moved my post to this forum.

    SECOND, The International Encyclopedia of the Bible says this of Jesus (Yeshua) which is common knowledge as you well know:

    THIRD, I am not belitting anyone, but being belittled by snipes.

    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  6. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    Iris,

    To prevent any further debate on your part..... please PM me after you complete and post a new thread. I will lock the thread so no one else can post on it.... this way you can be sure to get your message out with out debate and discussion.

    Here to help...... Scott
     
  7. Hope

    Hope Princesinha

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    It seems you have totally missed my point, Iris.....oh, well, at least I tried!!:rolleyes:
     
  8. rsttlcollado

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    "the statement and the word became flesh is a clear degradation of God becoming a mere word and a flesh. the fact is, he was accorded virgin birth to justify his being a deity, however in the history of mankind, there are at least seven gods who were also accorded virgin birth before jesus, to name a few, the greek god Apollo and the egyptian god osiris. Therefore, the Virgin birth is not original and just a mere justification. So one might ask? Why are the catholics consider Jesus as God when Jesus himself did not consider himself a God (luke 18: 18-19) when a wise man ask jesus, "Good man what will i do to inherit the world" Jesus replied, why do you call me good? ONLY GOD IS GOOD! To me, this statement of Jesus is clear and literal and leaves no room for interpretation. He is no God! And was made only a god by the catholics, you ask me how? by a "VOTATION" in the council of nicea, out of the 350 member bishops at that time 348 voted Jesus as god. people like me are weary of a person made god thru votation.
     
  9. Popeyesays

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    Why deny Jesus was God? Because He denied it Himself.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  10. iris89

    iris89 Active Member

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    Hi rsttlcollado vbmenu_register("postmenu_381727", true);
    FIRST, Jesus (Yeshua) is the Son of God (YHWH) and NOT Almighty God (YHWH) his Father. Check out Matthew 16:16, "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Authorized King James Bible: AV); and Jesus (Yeshua) himself said to pray only to his Father (YHWH) at Matthew 4:9-10, "And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (AV).
    SECOND, The Council of Nicea of 325 AD was where most of the Christians went apostate. For details, go to:
    http://preacher.proboards7.com/index.cgi?board=belief&action=display&thread=1137232810
    THIRD, For detailed information on the events leading up to the Council of Nicea of 325 AD and what transpired there, go to:
    http://love.proboards9.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=religious&thread=1135723580&page=1
    FOURTH, With respect what is genuine, the New Testament and the Old Testament decide that and not some group of mere men by vote. God (YHWH) is not governed by men and when they try and USURP his position with regard to declaring what is true, they are just going apostate. Any religious group that does this is apostate, prima facia.
    Your Friend in Christ Iris89
     
  11. opuntia

    opuntia Religion is Law

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    Christ is not found by the faculties of reason. Philosophers use reason as the basis for finding relative truth in their fields of expertise. Christ is found, Paul the Apostle said, by the Holy Ghost:

    "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." (1 Corinthians 12:3; KJV).

    Reading Scripture alone will not suffice for a testimony, one may read the Scripture and know what it contains just as any other book is read. True testimony, according to Paul, goes beyond the ordinary and mundane, it is knowing by a revelation that Jesus is the Christ. Paul wrote:

    "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

    "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." (Galatians 1:11-12).

    Divine inspiration reveals Christ to the receptive soul.
     
  12. rosewater

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    As a Muslim and studier of the Bible, I see there are many contradictions in the Bible. This should spark one reason why God Revealed the Holy Quran [Final Revelation] which is the only REVELATION of GOD in it's original form. The Bible itself is unreliable if it has contradictions. God Does not contradict. Contradiction no.1 Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? a) God did (2 Samuel 24:1) or b) Satan did (1 Chronicles 21:1). Contradiction #2 In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel? a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9). b) One million, one hundred thousand (1 Chronicles 21:5). Mind you, there are tons more contradictions. Also, Jesus was tempted by the devil for 40 days and 40 nights in the desert. So, here also we can see, he is not God as God does not have any weakness.
    Book of Acts: Jesus is a servant of God. Lastly, Paul is the inventor of Christianity. The Message of Jesus was Islam. Islam means submission to the will of Allah (God). Jesus never spoke of the Trinity for one thing. According to the Holy Quran, Isa [Jesus] said, "My Lord is your Lord." The Holy Quran accepts the Injeel which was Revelaed to Prophet Isa [jesus]. The Injeel is the Original Gospel which no longer exists. Islam is to accept the Original Revelation of God before alterations took place due to corruption. So, worship Allah [the One True God] Who Created Jesus. By the way Jesus was not his real name. Isau is the name for Jesus and Alaha is the name for God in the Aramaic Bible. Prophet Isa [jesus] spoke Aramaic and Hebrew.
    The Holy Quran was Revealed to God's Final Messenger of God (Muhammad) through Angel Gabriel (Jibraeel). Angel Jibraeel is the Messenger Angel of God who was sent to the past Messengers and Prophets of God. Peace be upon them all.
    Allah is the One True God
    HOLY QURAN [7:194] Verily, those whom you call upon besides Allaah are slaves like you. So call upon them and let them answer you if you are truthful.
    It is a fundamental truth that if one prays to a TREE it is really GOD who answers the call for help and not the tree. Prophet Muhammad [saws] said, "Allah answers the call of anyone in distress even if they are disbelievers." So worship the Creator and not the creation. The true believers in God are the ones who accept all the TRUE and unaltered Revelations of God and all the Messengers of God.
     
  13. Krie

    Krie Member

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    i hold a lot of doubt b/c of how much just seems, twisted and how much of the original Bible might have been taken out or twisted by the Pope in the old days when all that mattered to them was ruling everyone by teaching them that Christianity was the right religion. But they had taken out pieces to hide some truth. I don't believe in liars
     
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