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Who is hacking who?

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by stvdv, Dec 23, 2020.

  1. stvdv

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    Who is hacking who?

    I am just curious. I hear many times Americans whining in the news "Russia hacked US". I never hear Russia whining to be hacked by America, or did I miss those?

    I do remember Putin ones responding to "America blaming Russia for hacking" saying something like:
    "We don't blame America for hacking us; that would will make us weak and would make America strong".

    IMO: Putin does have a good point.
    Blaming Russia for hacking only proves that America's IT skills are miserable and Russia's skills are better. America compliments Russia's hacking skills

    So, in a way you can say that America is hacking (making vulnerable) itself by blaming Russia for it.
    Instead of blaming Russia, they should thank Russia in teaching them where their vulnerabilities lie. Don't you think?

    So, this makes me wonder, why does America(ns) blame Russia all the time for hacking them?

    Note: Above is, as always, just my view on things.
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  2. WalterTrull

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    Oh, I suppose, the weaker you are, the more it has to be somebody else's fault.
     
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  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    A friend once worked for NSA.
    (He said it stood for Never Say Anything.)
    I don't know what he did for them, but I
    knew that he listened in fluent Russian.
    He was also knowledgeable about submarines.
    Occasionally he'd say to watch for something
    interesting in the news.

    What our government so bitterly
    complains of, they also do to others.
     
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  4. stvdv

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    :cool:Nice one:cool:
     
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    Interesting story; quite a few line (to read in between)
    They have Intelligence and Counterintelligence and ...

    Your story indicates that American News does not fall under "Intelligence":D
    IF I am reading correctly between your lines
     
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    I just saw an interview in which was said that under Obama they did not react to hacking because they were hacking China themselves (05m26s):D
     
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    Because of the cold war and bars on exporting computer technology to Russia, russian programmers had to learn to do things in 4k that much of the western world needed several megabytes of memory to achieve. This gave them a fantastic wealth of programming tricks. A knowledge that is no doubt still in use today.
     
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    Well, you're right. Our government officials do make America look weak and incompetent by going on and on about those wily Russkies and their alleged hacking of U.S. systems. It just goes to show to just how out of touch our political leaders actually are, and how they have such a profound lack of self-awareness. They think the whole world thinks like they do, even while they're in some insular bubble of groupthink and completely unaware of how they come across.

    They can get away with it within America because because BS, double standards, and hypocrisy have saturated throughout the political culture, so to us, it's our idea of "normal." But that attitude doesn't fly in other areas of the world, yet most Americans are too unaware and uninformed about the outside world to realize this.
     
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    I remember listening to a radio interview with an EX-CIA/NSA a few years after the OG Snowden leaks, the interviewer asking if it was embarrassing for him or the agency when the whistle is blown. The former agent said that the operations which ended up documented publicly were such a small fraction of the respective agencies classified activities that most involved would rest easy.

    That's probably around when I stopped having any faith in national security organizations.
     
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    I think it can safely be said that both are trying.
    The foreign policy of both countries is strictly 'realist' so they both try to interfere with each other as much as they can get away with, including cyber attacks.
    Ultimately, this isn't picking sides. Look past the hysteria and do what you can to fix your own country and let other people deal with theirs. Harshly criticize anyone who blames homegrown problems (like Trump or the current economic crisis) on foreign countries like China or Russia.
     
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    IMO:

    That is true, but I think there is something more evil going on with American news. For starters they brainwash (or try) Americans with fake news. Because I believe that those in charge of CIA etc., know that blaming Russia is just 4 year old childish behavior.

    So they must have another reason for such propaganda. Maybe it is just to validate spending trillions on defense (paid by the brainwashed people), who will not complain, because of fear of Russia

    But this knowledge makes me wonder "what american news can I trust?". But also which actions of them (American Government) are trustworthy. Here in Holland, I can clearly see, this American way is slowly starting also. Not as bad as in America yet, at least we have some more freedom to express in speech what we believe, without being sent to jail, but that is slowly declining the last few years, and esp. the last year, I have observed.

    I am at a point now, that I don't trust any Government (news) anymore.
     
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  12. Mestemia

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    When it comes to governments, I suspect that all of them are trying to hack into all the rest.
    With varying degrees of success.
     
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    One problem the US has that is not (as) present in Russia is the media.
    It mostly isn't the government that is whining about hacks. In fact, they'd prefer to keep news under wraps that show their weaknesses.
     
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    Yes, I am quite sure of that. And over the years, they probably are all equally good at it too. And I trust them all (US, Russia, Holland, ..) the same (so, not at all)

    Was nice to hear the woman (Susan Ferrechio) admit something like (05:00-05:32)"During Obama time the President did nothing against the Chinese hack (22 million data breaches, including every person who had a security clearance etc.), because we did not want to expose our own intelligence gathering, that we were conducting on China (here she is smiling:laughing: ***), this is a complicated issue".

    This reminds me of the Latin wisdom: "panem et circenses = Bread and circuses", so give people something to eat and to watch, that will keep them quiet (***).
    IMO: Exactly this is what all the Governments are doing right now also. All Governments are playing this Game to keep people quiet
     
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    I doubt that. You must have watched Putin on TV/YouTube. Compare that to Trump. Trump is a naughty child talking about grab cats and some smear words (10sec). Putin on the other hand seems more grown up (at least no stupid exhibition), and in control and has Trump by the balls it seems to me.

    But it's true, that Putin probably also has a bit more control over the News, although America is pretty capable to control Corona news quite well (within 1 or 2 days unwanted sites are deleted) since this year. They are quite capable, which is understandable, as China does this also very efficiently.
     
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    The extent to which we have interfered with other countries' elections really does make it hypocritical for us to complain when we reap what we sow. Wouldn't be the first time we've applied a double standard to ourselves, won't be the last.
     
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    That also applies to the Dutch from Holland (where I am from)
     
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