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Featured Who is Babylon the Great ?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Neuropteron, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
    Premium Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    Christian JW
    [​IMG] I'm sorry, but I have never seen you "effectively" address anything I have ever posted. You have given me your opinion. What is it worth, do you think? What if you are the one with the misapprehensions? [​IMG] How would you know? Who else believes what you believe?

    Well now, that's just the thing.....we have nothing in common with Christendom, having left that corrupt system of worship over 100 years ago, we have 8 and a half million people who all agree on the Bible's truth. No one in Christendom agrees with us. [​IMG]

    Who said? [​IMG] You? Why would I think that some person on an internet forum who has no affiliation with any recognizable religion has anything but his own opinion to share? Where do you get this stuff? Do you just make it up?
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  2. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    Babylon the Great is the entire world empire of false religion. Her most prominent segment today is apostate Christendom, which emerged as a powerful lawless organization in the fourth century after Christ, with creeds and formalities derived not from the Bible, but largely from Babylonish religion. The chief instrument of Babylon the Great is the clergy of Christendom. The false prophet puts forth the image of the beast for the people to worship which is another gospel and another Jesus. Those who accept the mark of the beast will suffer from the wrath of God during the tribulation. Babylon will be destroyed, and then the battle of armagedden will destroy the beast and the false prophet.
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  3. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    Babylon the Great has fallen.
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    Watchtower Apr 15, 1989
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  4. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2013
    The current beast is the 8th head of the beast, who "was and is not". The current 8th head of the beast is in the form of an "unclean spirit" (Revelation 16:13), such as a spirit of demon (Revelation 16:14). His 10 horns, "are ten kings" (Revelation 17:11), who will receive authority for "one hour", which is to infer a short time. Examples of the 10 kings who will "hate the harlot (Judah) " (Revelation 17:16) would be men such as Hitler, Ferdinand II of Aragon, who set up the Spanish Inquisition under papal control, and who in 1492 evicted the Jews from Spain. Judah and Ephraim/Israel, have been under judgment for over 2000 years. It is after 2 days/2000 years that they/Israel, will "acknowledge their guilt" and "return to the LORD" (Hosea 5:15 & Hosea 6:1).

    The "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Revelation 13:11), who was the 7th head of the beast is dead. Those "who dwell on the earth" are already deceived and carry the mark (Revelation 13). The 5th head of the beast, Julius Caesar, was slain, and came back as the 6th head of the beast, the first 10 Augustus Caesars. Later, Caesar's godhead, and authority was taken by the 7th head of the beast, Constantine, after reuniting a divided Rome.

    As for the "great tribulation", unless it was "cut short" for the "elect", no one would have survived. Those with the seal of God, will not be harmed by the locust of Revelation 9:4-5). Those with the mark of the beast will drink from the cup of the wrath of God (Revelation 14:10). This is to say all will suffer the "great tribulation", but some will heed the "Word of God", keep the commandments, and will not take the mark of the beast, and go into their rooms and shut the door, and apparently be immune to the locusts.

    The valley of YHWH's judgement/valley of Jehoshaphat, Har-Magedon, is for the nations who "scattered" "My inheritance, Israel... among the nations" (Joel 3:2). The "beast and the false prophet" are already dead, and live only by way of their demon spirits (Revelation 16:13). Babylon will be as if thrown into the sea by a "strong angel" (Revelation 18:21). "In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints" (Revelation 18:24).
  5. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    4 From God’s viewpoint, however, there
    is a worse form of prostitution—spiritual
    harlotry, or claiming to worship the true
    God while actually giving worship and affection
    to other gods. Ancient Jerusalem
    took her prostitution a step further. She
    gave presents to those nations that spiritually
    fornicated with her, polluting true
    worship.—Ezekiel 16:34.
    5 Even in this 20th century, spiritual
    harlotry is common in the world religious
    system. Christendom is the most prominent
    part of that system—a system that
    the Bible calls “Babylon the Great, the
    mother of the harlots and of the disgusting
    things of the earth.”—Revelation 17:5.
    At Revelation 14:8,
    a heavenly angel calls this woman
    of ill repute “Babylon the Great” and
    describes her as a seducer of nations.
    Since she is that dangerous, we should be
    happy to know that Jehovah’s “appointed
    time is near” for executing judgment on
    her.—Revelation 1:3.
    Babylon the
    Great had fallen, condemned to death! It
    was high time for all lovers of truth and
    righteousness to act on the prophetic command
    at Jeremiah 51:45: “Get out of the midst of her, 0 my people, and provide
    each one his soul with escape from the
    burning anger of Jehovah.”
    11 Babylon the Great has fallen! But she
    is not yet destroyed. As a world empire of
    false religion, she will exist a short time
    longer as Satan’s masterpiece of deception.
    What is God’s final judgment on her?
    We are not left in doubt!
    Let us turn in
    our Bibles to Revelation 17:1, 2. Here an
    angel addresses the apostle John and,
    through him, students of prophecy today,
    saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment
    upon the great harlot who sits on
    many waters, with whom the kings of the
    earth committed fornication, whereas
    those who inhabit the earth were made
    drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
    The term “many waters” refers to the
    turbulent masses of mankind, so long oppressed
    by the great harlot. And the
    prophecy states that “those who inhabit
    the earth” are made drunk with her wine.
    They imbibe the false teachings and
    worldly, immoral ways of Babylon the
    Great and are sent reeling, as though inebriated
    by cheap, illicit wine.
    12 At James 4:4 we read: “Adulteresses,
    do you not know that the friendship
    with the world is enmity with God?”
    Twentieth-century religion is all too ready
    to curry favor with the world, and that is
    especially true of Christendom. Not only
    do her clergy fail to proclaim the good
    news of Jehovah’s incoming Kingdom but
    they water down the Bible’s moral teachings,
    condoning worldly permissiveness
    among church members. Even the clergy
    are not so innocent as to fleshly fornication,
    which was so roundly condemned by
    the apostle Paul when he said: “Do not be
    misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
    nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural
    purposes, nor men who lie with men
    . . . will inherit God’s kingdom.
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  6. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Aug 27, 2013
    ecumenical & naturalistic Catholic
    The Roman Empire. Also, in one of the books of Peter, a verse uses the feminine form of "Babylon", which was code back then for the city of Rome. If one knows and remembers biblical history, it was the Babylonian Empire especially that was most oppressive in the region, and the Romans repeated that oppression.
  7. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    SHE has fallen! Babylon the Great
    has fallen, she who made all the
    L Jnations drink of the wine of the
    anger of her fornication!” “Babylon the
    Great has fallen, and she has become a
    dwelling place of demons and a lurking
    place of every unclean exhalation and a
    lurking place of every unclean and hated
    bird!”—Revelation 14:8; 18:2.
    What a startling prophecy! “Babylon
    the Great has fallen!” For centuries this
    symbolic statement has intrigued students
    of the Bible. Why should it interest
    you? Because, according to Bible prophecy,
    Babylon the Great’s destiny will soon
    affect all mankind. As we have seen in the
    April 1 and April 15 issues of this magazine,
    this influential harlot is clearly identified
    as Satan’s world empire of false
    Babylon the Great cannot symbolize politics and
    big business, as they are shown lamenting her fall.
    (Revelation 18:911־ (The only other major element
    of Satan’s world system is religion. Her ties with spiritism serve to confirm the religious identification.—Revelation 18:23.
    What basis does Jehovah have for judging
    the world empire of false religion?
    Surely, some might think, he should view
    with favor all the schools, hospitals, and
    charitable works that various religions
    have promoted. But how does all that measure
    up against the indictment that Jehovah
    levels against the world’s religions?
    Let us briefly examine that indictment
    and the record of religion.*
    “One of the seven angels that had the
    seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying:
    ‘Come, I will show you the judgment
    upon the great harlot who sits on many
    waters, with whom the kings of the earth
    committed fornication, whereas those who
    inhabit the earth were made drunk with
    the wine of her fornication.’” (Revelation
    17:1, 2)
    religion’s complicity with national rulers,
    “the kings of the earth,” to the detriment
    of the people down through history, may
    be compared to the behavior of a selfseeking,
    fornicating harlot. But the indictment
    “And I saw that the woman was drunk
    with the blood of the holy ones and with
    the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.” “Yes,
    in her was found the blood of prophets and
    of holy ones and of all those who have
    been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation
    17:6; 18:24) Bloodguilt must be
    charged against Babylon the Great because
    of her martyring true Christians
    over the centuries, including a number
    who dared to translate the Bible into the
    language of the common people, and also
    many who dared to possess and read the
    Bible. Great Babylon is bloodguilty also on
    account of the true Christians who have
    been martyred more recently in prisons
    and concentration camps, whether under
    Nazism, Fascism, or other dictatorships.
    Note that the indictment refers to “all
    those who have been slaughtered on the
    earth,” which would include the hundreds
    of millions all over the world who have
    died in wars and vendettas that have been
    fought down through history by people
    claiming to be religious.—Compare Matthew
    23:34-36; 2 Timothy 3:5.
    God’s judging of Babylon the Great addresses
    another aspect of her guilt. The
    judgment states: “By your spiritistic practice
    all the nations were misled.” (Revelation
    18:23) Interestingly, “spiritistic practice”
    translates the Greek phar-ma-ki'a,
    which “primarily signified the use of medicine,
    drugs, spells; then, poisoning; then,
    sorcery.”* In a spiritual sense, false religion
    has poisoned the nations, misleading
    them into believing in false gods and
    teachings that have diverted their attention
    from Jehovah and the issue of universal
    sovereignty. By its erroneous teaching
    of the immortality of the soul, false religion
    also laid the foundation for every
    kind of spiritism and sorcery, inspiring
    fear of the dead and worship of ancestors.
    God’s condemnation of Babylon the Great
    is totally justified. As John wrote: “Her
    sins have massed together clear up to
    heaven, and God has called her acts of
    injustice to mind.”—Revelation 18:5.
    In view of the fallen state of Babylon the
    Great and her judged condition, what must
    sincere lovers of truth now do? Isaiah’s prophecy relating to ancient Babylon
    applies with even greater force with regard
    to false religion today:
    “Turn away, turn away,
    get out of there, touch
    nothing unclean; get out
    from the midst of her,
    keep yourselves clean, you
    who are carry in g the
    utensils of Jehovah.” (Isaiah
    52:11) This urgent call
    parallels that of Revelation
    18:4: “And I heard
    another voice out of heaven
    say: ‘Get out of her
    [Babylon the Great], my
    people, if you do not want
    to share with her in her
    sins, and if you do not
    want to receive part of her
    Yes, it is time to sever all affiliations
    with false religion. But if we get out of
    Babylon the Great, where must we turn?
    To Jehovah’s true worship in association
    with his witnesses. Already, millions from
    all the nations of the earth are streaming
    to the symbolic “mountain of Jehovah.”
    You too are invited to study the Bible with
    Jehovah’s Witnesses and join in this true
    worship.—Isaiah 2:2-4; 43:10-12.
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  8. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    Hello Hockeycowboy
  9. Neuropteron

    Neuropteron Active Member

    Jul 14, 2018
    Thank you
  10. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2017
    Babylon the great, is not any world empire nor any world government nor any religion.
    All though she sits over the world's government's, and people And religions.
    Guiding them under her influence of confusion.

    Babylon means = Confusion

    Therefore Babylon the great is keeping people and government's and religions, under her .
    influence of Confusion.

    Actually she is real great at it to,
    Seeing how people and government's and religion's, are in a state of confusion. And they don't even know it.

    That's how great she is, at keeping people and government's and religion's, in a state of Babylon = Confusion.

    In Revelation 18:2 it is written ---"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird"

    What happened, that Babylon is fallen, is fallen?

    Well Seeing her mask of deception has been taken off, That people, government's, religions, come to realize they were all deceived by her Influence of keeping them in
    Babylon = Confusion.
    Therefore causes her to fall.
    Babylon is fallen, is fallen.

    Alot of Christians are taught the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17, As being the Roman Catholic Church. Unto which the Roman Catholic Church is not the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17.
    Only because the Roman Catholic Church resembles by the appearance the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17.

    But yet Christ Jesus gave warning in the book of John 7:24--" Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

    To judge anything by the Appearance, can and will be misleading.
    Therefore to judge the Roman Catholic Church based solely on Resemblance and Appearance.
    "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24

    Matt.7. [1] "Judge not, that you be not judged. [2] For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you dishout, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why beholdest you, the mote that is in your brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in your own eye"
    #30 Faithofchristian, Aug 31, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2018
  11. Agent

    Agent Member

    Jul 4, 2018
    Whom or what does Babylon the Great
    symbolize? The Bible says that world rulers
    have committed fornication with her
    and that merchants have traded with her.
    (Revelation 18:3) Hence, she cannot represent
    politics or big business. But this
    leaves the third powerful element in the
    world as the only candidate for the title
    ‘mother of harlots.’ She is none other than
    Satan’s world empire of false religion!
    Jesus Christ taught that his followers
    should love not only their neighbors but
    also their enemies. (Matthew 5:43, 44)
    Quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures, Paul
    spelled out how Christians should treat
    their foes. He said: ‘“ If your enemy is
    hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him
    something to drink; for by doing this you
    will heap fiery coals upon his head.’ Do not
    let yourself be conquered by the evil, but
    keep conquering the evil with the good.”
    Romans 12:20, 21.
    Yet, the history of Christendom’s religions
    is one of hatred and bloodshed. Ancient
    and modern-day crusades involving
    pillage, rape, and death have been blessed
    and condoned. For instance, Fascist Italy’s
    rape of Abyssinia (1935) and Franco’s “crusade”
    in the Spanish Civil War (1936-39)
    were blessed by dignitaries of the Catholic
    But Babylon the Great consists of more
    than the religions of Christendom. All the
    major religions of this world share in that
    infamous harlot’s bloodguilt. For example,
    the Shinto religion of Japan must bear part
    of the blame for the fanatical and sadistic
    mentality evidenced by the Japanese milltary
    in World War II. Historian Paul Johnson
    holds that “to fortify themselves in
    a stern, competitive world” dominated
    by European standards of behavior, they
    found it necessary to invent “a state religion
    and a ruling morality, known as Shinto
    and bushido [the “way of the warrior”].
    . . . Regular emperor-worship was established,
    especially in the armed forces, and
    from the 1920s onwards a national code of
    ethics, kokumin dotoku, was taught in all
    the schools.” What was the result? By
    1941, when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor
    and thus entered World War II, “Shinto ...
    was transformed from a primitive, obsolescent
    and minority cult into an endorsement
    of a modern, totalitarian state, and
    so by a peculiarly odious irony, religion,
    which should have served to resist the secular
    horrors of the age, was used to sanctify
    Concerning the partition of India in
    1947, in which religious differences were a
    factor, historian Johnson says: “Some 5 to
    6 million people ran for their lives in each
    direction. . . . Estimates of the dead at the
    time ranged from 1 to 2 million. More
    modern calculations are in the 200,000 to
    600,000 range.” To this day, religiously
    motivated killing and humiliation take
    place in Hindu society. Often Harijans, or
    outcasts formerly called untouchables, are
    the victims of gang murder organized by
    rich landowners.
    When we study the history of the worldwide
    empire of religion, we can easily see
    why the Supreme Judge has a basis for the
    execution of Babylon the Great. “Yes, in
    her was found the blood of prophets and of
    holy ones and of all those who have been
    slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 18:
    24) False religion’s complicity in regional
    and world wars has made her guilty in
    God’s sight for the blood of “all those who
    have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    According to the Biblical indictment,
    Babylon the Great has been judged worthy
    of destruction by reason of her historical
    record of spiritual fornication with world
    rulers, her bloodguilt in wars, and her spiritistic practices.
    Therefore, Jehovah God
    has judicially determined that Satan’s
    world empire of false religion must be terminated.—Revelation 18:3, 23, 24.
    In highly symbolic language, the book
    of Revelation describes the destruction of
    Babylon the Great. At Revelation 17:16 we
    read: “The ten horns that you saw, and the
    wild beast, these will hate the harlot and
    will make her devastated and naked, and
    will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely
    burn her with fire.” “The ten horns”
    symbolize all the political powers now on
    the world scene and that support the
    United Nations, the “scarlet-colored wild
    beast,” itself the image of the Devil’s bloodstained
    political system.—Revelation 16:2;
    According to Bible prophecy, the political
    powers associated with the United Nations
    will turn against the world empire of
    false religion and devastate her. All false
    religions will be affected. Some political
    systems have already shown their impatience
    with false religion’s interference in
    political and social spheres. Some socialistic
    countries have taken a stand for atheism
    and have reduced religion to a virtual
    nonentity, as in Albania, or to a compliant
    handmaiden, as in Russia and China. Elsewhere,
    political rulers show strong resentment
    for the liberation theology of some
    Catholic priests in poorer countries. Yet
    others repress religions that get involved
    in racial matters. Even in so-called liberal
    countries, some politicians resent clerical
    meddling in politics and social issues.
    It remains to be seen just what further
    issues will provoke the political elements
    worldwide to act against false religion. But
    one thing is certain—the execution of Babylon
    the Great
    That “one day,” or short time of swift
    execution, is now near. In fact, the destruetion
    of Babylon the Great ushers in “the
    day of vengeance on the part of our God.”
    (Isaiah 61:2) Thereafter, God’s just war of
    Armageddon will be upon us. All the evidence
    of world events since 1914 indicates
    that time is running out for Satan’s systern
    of things. Therefore, the rule of God’s
    Kingdom is at hand.—Luke 21:32-36; Revelation