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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    Who said I needed help?
     
  2. jonathan180iq

    jonathan180iq Well-Known Member

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    Do you see how the logic used to get from point A to point B is pretty nonexistent?

    "If Tom and Jerry are real, why can't I find their house?"

    God was a lot more demonstrative back when no one was around to fact-check the stories written about him, huh?
     
  3. Rapha

    Rapha Active Member

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    Those who have faith in Jesus Christ are shown that Heaven is the white light that contains this dark expanding (sinful) universe.
    Gods light occurs as stars contained within this dark matter hell.

    This universe is encased in a shell of 1m width hexagon windows. Beyond every window is a small room where every spirit of a mortal, is a figurine on a table. One 1 side of the table sits God and on the other sits His enemy.

    Both hold their palms out, focusing on the figurine of the creature on the table. Rays of light span out from Gods hands and flow into the figurines heart. Rays of darkness span from Gods opponent into the persons heart as well.

    Every spirit is linked to their figurine from what ever planet their mortal meat suit resides on. Ever heard of lower and higher self.

    Both immortals battle over the spirits' heart. This is where the thoughts of sin and righteousness originate from.
     
  4. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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  5. KenS

    KenS Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't subscribe to this position.
     
  6. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    But we're not talking "he's coming someday", we're talking "he's coming on this date in this place". We need specificity for prophecies.
     
  7. KenS

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    There were specific prophecies. I know that it didn't meet your detailed specifications, but then again, mankind is not the one in control of that.

    And if 8 fulfilled prophecies was almost impossible, how much more when there are dozens.

    But, IMV, there is good reasons for not giving us a specific date. LOL. I think everybody would live like hell and do a quick turnaround 30 days before :)
     
  8. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    So why is God so **** poor at this? You'd think that since he knows everything, he could actually come up with real prophecies that give specific details? What's wrong with that ridiculous god of yours?
     
  9. KenS

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    LOL... you are quite funny!

    So, God said he would be born in Bethlehem but that is not specific.

    God said that he would die with nails on his hands and feet but that is not specific.

    God said he would also come out of Egypt but that is not specific.

    It was written that they would gamble for the clothing of Jesus... but that isn't quite clear.

    That he would die with criminals but somehow that is vague.

    I don't know what your definition of specific is... but God definitely isn't looking ridiculous.
     
  10. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    No, he didn't. He said nothing about being born *IN* Bethlehem. The verse said nothing about the TOWN of Bethlehem at all. And of course, none of those claims can be verified independently, they are just CLAIMS made in the Bible that have no actual objective evidence to support them. Anyone can make a claim. Verifying those claims objectively is what matters.
     
  11. KenS

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    Actually, you are wrong...

    In Micah it said 2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

    And in case I have misunderstood let's see what the chief priests and the scribes said...

    The Visit of the Magi
    1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magifrom the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,
    2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."
    3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
    4 Gatheringtogether all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born.
    5 They said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is whathas been written by the prophet:
    6 'AND YOU, BETHLEHEM, LAND OF JUDAH, ARE BY NO MEANS LEAST AMONG THE LEADERS OF JUDAH; FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME FORTH A RULER WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.' "

    And, incidentally, you simply saying that it is just CLAIMS doesn't change the history of it.
     
  12. Blackdog22

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    In other words it is impossible for complexity to come from nothing, but something infinitely more complex, such as God, has no problems having come from nothing or simply always existing. This does not logically compute. Haven't you just made an argument against the existence of God without realizing it?
     
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    You seem to be answering why God doesn't show himself, by claiming you can't force someone to love you, as if merely knowing something exists somehow forces them to love you (Why do I see so many religious come to this very bad conclusion?), but you then seem to say he does make himself clear. Not entirely sure what you are answering as you seem to be coming from 2 sides at the same time contradictally, but uh, sure! God does make himself known. I just had no idea you had ALSO heard from Zeus! :D This is fantastic news truly.
     
  14. Blackdog22

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    Name a few. I am sure the Jews would love to know where they went wrong. To even state the prophecies, as if there isnt TONS of info and arguments against those, as some sort of evidence, would be like me saying cars are manufactured on the moon and oh btw, my proof is that I have a pamplet that says it would be so.
     
  15. Blackdog22

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    Interesting idea, and if the conclusion leads them to believe in a different God/gods? Then what? Is it thus proven that it is merely a mental construct we make up to keep ourselves busy? Are we just finding different Gods? Do you think people are completely incapable of making up imaginary friends or seeing/feeling things that aren't there? If I showed you articles that proved we can indeed feel and see things that aren't there just by how our minds function, then what does that mean for all this God stuff? Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? Can you trust your own mind at all when it comes to these things? I would say, no, you cannot. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt at best, especially psychedelic experiences.... come on man..
     
  16. james bond

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    I don't think it will lead them to change their beliefs. Maybe a few will. It's just to experience the spiritual world or an alternative reality. The feeling that you are all powerful and can fly. Why mescaline and psychedelics cause this glorious illusion has something to do with chemicals in the brain maybe?
     
  17. FearGod

    FearGod Freedom Of Mind

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    Prophets made prophecies as a sign of saying the truth, could you make prophecies
    about some events that have to occur after 2000 years, around the year 4000.

    Can you think of 10 prophecies that may occur after long period of time and if
    you aren't a prophet then why you need to?
     
  18. Sonny

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    To some, maybe. But God is not finite as we are. The complexity of us all demands there be a supernatural being, a great Designer. As one guy said (paraphrasing), Even if we find out that God is really a little green man he is still God bc he created everything'. Humans can never understand who or what God is. We haven't conquered the oceans depth yet and nothing outside of our own Galaxy. Sure, we can see 'lots' out there but we are guessing at most of it. God spoke and everything was there. Behind the darkness of space is God (Ps. 104:2; Is. 50:3). I can't begin to comprehend that.
     
  19. Blackdog22

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    My apologies, I misunderstood you. I do agree that psychedelics are eye opening, id just advise caution as people who have mental illness in their families can sometimes trigger a lifetime of something like schizophrenia. If you are clear tho, its an amazing experience. Also yes, psychedelics work on your serotonin in some interesting ways.
     
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  20. Blackdog22

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    Still doesnt make logical sense though from my pov. The building blocks of the Universe are not finite as we are. You say our complexity demands there be a supernatural being while ignoring that that particular being would certainly have to be more complex than us. Its solving a minor problem and replacing it with a grand problem of infinite scale. Is it really so impossible to imagine that protons, neutrons and electrons have existed or always existed over a magic super powerful being with complexities and wonders beyond our imagination that has always existed? I find the rational quite peculiar, it seems to be grasping at straws for the fun of it without really taking into account how much more unlikely that possibility would actually be. That isn't to say our existence doesn't puzzle me or blow my mind, but what you are talking about would blow my mind x10000.
     
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