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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. psychoslice

    psychoslice Veteran Member

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    Yes he certainly wasn't, and yes he did reflect what we call God, just as we all do when one in God, or Consciousness.
     
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  2. KenS

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    There are those who would disagree with your position. As Saul of Tarsus said, "But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can't see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse."

    I would agree with Saul that all that we see is proof enough.

    I'm sure that you would disagree but that is a matter of interpretation.
     
  3. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    Good question. Too bad there are no good answers. It's funny how believers use prophecy, anything that can be seen in retrospect to refer, even tangentially, to something that might have happened later on is seen as evidence when it's certainly not. None of these supposed prophecies are specific in any way and certainly, they cannot be seen to point to a single event before the fact. It is, like all other religious claims, just a bunch of made up nonsense that doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.
     
  4. Hugh of Borg

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    Well what else could he be then?
    You think God made a mistake and the poor guy was created as a frying pan?
    Of course he is human.. God is not the entire Universe, he is not flies or wasps or bacteria or germs. All that is Good and Beautiful is The Lord.
    As for where the bad and ugly things come from, then look to the Sins of the people and find out what they are doing Wrong to CAUSE those bad and ugly things. Persecuting Gays, the death penalty, feminism, cruelty and inhumanity to animals, cruelty and inhumanity to children.
    The Bad things that people do must have a bad effect.
    Do you know they are converting empty Churches now into accommodation for families and children? The are actually bonking and using the toilet on Hallowed Ground where once the Faith of Men built a Church to the Glory of God. That kind of thing is Bound to have a bad effect. Next thing you got children with two heads
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  5. KenS

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    Actually, that isn't true. There are many that point to a single event before the fact.

    Here is one of many:

    1 Kings 13:2 By the word of the LORD he cried out against the altar: “Altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: ‘A son named Josiah will be born to the house of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests of the high places who make offerings here, and human bones will be burned on you.’ ”

    Even the name of the person is given. Josiah fulfilled it hundred of years later.
     
  6. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    11 levels? Seems rather arbitrary... why not 151? And this seems quite a niche belief set. Is there a particular sect or subset of a religion that teaches these things you write about? So what, do you propose, is the "purpose of the universe?" To get us all through this multi-level "Believer's School?" And to a "graduation" that ends in ascension to heaven? And what purpose does any of that serve? Why expend all of the energy of creating a soul, planting it into a human being, hopping the soul to one and the next "levels" and then promoting the soul to heaven? What is the ultimate goal? God just does all this because He likes it? It makes Him happy? Do we have a purpose in heaven after we make it there? Why does God or heaven need souls?
     
  7. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    Except that isn't a prophecy as you want to think it was, it was actually fulfilled in 1 Kings 23:20. It has nothing to do with Jesus.
     
  8. Rapha

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    God is the white light or the Source that this black universe is expanding into.

    The light in the galaxies are his electrical arteries. The universe is electrical all connected via strings and quarks and other particles contained in the dark matter.
     
  9. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    ...I was with you right up to this point... but the next bit...


    ...is just terrible on so many levels. Ask yourself... what is "wrong"/bad/ugly about flies? Truly? Besides the fact that they always use them on all the horror movies - shooting out of possessed people's mouths, shown as a sign that things are about to get demonic. But focus on REALITY - what is the problem with flies? Or wasps? Or bacteria? Or germs? Is there an OBJECTIVE "evil" that you feel is attached to them? If so, you're horribly, horribly wrong. 3 of the things you list perform vital functions that aid in the up-keep of ecosystems. Flies and bacteria/"germs" are the clean-up crew of the world. They help see to it that the earth doesn't fill up with biological waste that would otherwise never get eaten and disposed of. And they do a fantastic job. Not to mention they serve as a very prolific food source for the next tier on the food chain. A food chain that we are ultimately a part of. It is a point that you should not remain ignorant of.

    And ugly? There is more beauty in the actual form and function of a single house fly than you could possibly hope to dream-up or create in your entire life-time - in ten lifetimes - make it a hundred. Just because you are a human, and are prone to find certain forms of life as more appealing than others - due, I might add, to instinct - doesn't mean there is any true and unbiased meaning to your feelings about ANY creature of this planet. Do I prefer cute kittens to wasps? Of course. But I acknowledge that this is because I am a human being - I am a creature predisposed to finding certain traits attractive and others unattractive. We all are. To not make this connection, not have this understanding that your perspective is EXTREMELY LIMITED - well, it's ignorance again. And the proof is simple - ask yourself what would be more attractive to a house fly - a human being, or another house fly? Duh.


    So, old, fanciful, wasteful buildings, used for the feel-good times of the few, and as a place to bilk people out of their money, being converted into something far more worthwhile - such as homes for people who have none - is such a horrible sin that it brought about things like wasps onto the Earth? Do you even read the things you write?
     
  10. A Vestigial Mote

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    Wow... way to miss what was being said. The person you replied to wasn't even talking about God when they wrote "What else could he be then?", and you go on some ranty tangent about how God's arteries are stars. I think you also reversed what you meant in your first sentence. What you definitively stated was that God is the "source" and light and that the "black universe" is expanding into Him. Didn't you mean that God was the source of light expanding into the black universe? Anyway - it is dizzying how presumptuous everything you wrote was. From presuming you even knew what the person you replied to was saying, to presuming you have some esoteric and grand knowledge of the function of the universe. Not cool.
     
  11. Super Universe

    Super Universe Defender of God

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    Why eleven levels? Because it's eleven. You might want to research String Theory if you have more questions about it.

    Is there a particular religion that teaches the things I wrote about? You must be very new. If you look at the upper right corner of a person's post it says what religion they follow.

    What do I propose is the purpose of the universe? So that God can have full and varied free will personality experiences that He could not have if He still knew who He was.

    What purpose does it serve to have the universal school system? God wanted to become more, this is how He chose to do it.

    Why expend all of the energy creating a soul? The energy was not expended, it already existed. The soul is a fragment of God that connects with a new mind to gain experience. The soul is not in your body, it connects with your brain. The soul does not "hop" to different levels, it stays in heaven, like watching a movie.

    What is the ultimate goal? You ascend to heaven then you plan, supervise, and use God to create your own universe so that God can continue to become more.

    God does all this because He likes it? To some degree that is correct but there is some necessity in it as well, at times it may help to think of God as a computer that only does what it has to do.

    Why does God need souls? Soul fragments are experiential beings that need to access sentient beings so they can gain experience in order to develop. Think of an infant who needs to be around other humans in order to learn a language, writing, and acceptable social skills.
     
  12. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    I see. Had no idea about the book, would have had no idea that a book was equated to a "religion". In fact, I'm still not sure it can be. The teachings would be a part of a "religion", but can the book be the religion itself? Hence my confusion at your labelled "religion".

    Anyway, glad it works for you. Reading up on it a bit, it is certainly not my cup of tea. Far too many presumptions on topics for which there is no verifiable "truth" able to be experienced. I understand that some things simply "are" (11 levels, sure, okay), but when you are unable to provide any evidence for those things, and when they don't line up with anything present in reality, or the parts that do line up aren't at all necessary or cannot be witnessed or tested for... well, it all plays out a bit like make-believe to me. Sorry... I can't really help that about myself. Good luck though.
     
  13. KenS

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    It was a prophecy. What is your definition of a prophecy?

    And, yes, it doesn't deal with Jesus. Would you like me to find the one that references Jesus?
     
  14. Super Universe

    Super Universe Defender of God

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    The Urantia Book is not a religion currently, and it never should become one, but, unfortunately, sometimes people like to use information about God to form groups that evolve into religions.

    You want proof of the eleven levels? Once again, you need to research String Theory. String Theory has nothing to do with the UB or any religion, it's quantum physics. If you also dismiss science then there is nothing anyone can do to help you.
     
  15. Cephus

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    Something that provides specific details about times, places and people in the future that the individual could not conceivably have known about, nor that people in the future could have acted to fulfill. It has to be something that you can tell is coming, not something before the fact you can only identify in retrospect.

    Got any of those?
     
  16. KenS

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    You have just a couple of problems with your parameters... if there is a prophecy, then people already know about it. If it was written then SOMEONE had to fulfill it. So your parameters are already self defeating (unless that is what you want to do).

    The difficult part of someone fulfilling just eight of the multiplicity of prophetic utterance on purpose is the following:

    The Odds of Eight Messianic Prophecies Coming True | Berean Publishers

    PS. Where did you get your definition from? Or is it your personal viewpoint?
     
  17. Milton Platt

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    Ah, so your god is powerless before humans....very interesting.
     
  18. Cephus

    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    It's my personal viewpoint. I'm not impressed by supposed Biblical prophecies, any more than I am by Nostradamus. They are all so vague and open to interpretation that they are useless. And I meant that you cannot have individuals deciding to "fulfill" prophecy. It has to be something that believers cannot artificially cause to happen.

    And your link is laughable. Most of those aren't even prophecies to begin with. That was the problem with the writer of Matthew, he tried to invent prophecy out of whole cloth by ripping things out of context in earlier writings. Take the first one in Micah 5:2. The passage doesn't refer to a town, as Matthew would like you to think, but to a clan, specifically the son of Caleb's second wife Ephrathah named Bethlehem. And in context, specifically found in Micah 5:6, it refers to a military commander that defeats the Assyrians, something Jesus clearly never did. So it's just ridiculous to think that this is a prophecy referring to Jesus at all. The rest aren't any better. It's religious wishful thinking.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    My God is the Most High CPU; the question was asked about Yah-Avah Elohim. :innocent:
     
  20. KenS

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    Not really... Jewish scholars of ages have determined many of the Messianic scriptures... that is why they expected His coming. I would follow their understanding above yours. (of course and no disrespect intended)
     
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