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Where did GOD come from....?
- Thread starter markr1506
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Dunno.
This isn't really an issue for me, and this seems something more for those for whom Creator is different from creation.
swamplizard
Human
blackout
Violet.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Thank you, I'm flattered.
chinu
chinu
No! God is concept which help us to get out from this existence (illusion).
God & rgds
_/\_
Chinu
Hey Mark,
If we are going to go with a causality explanation of the universe (i.e. everything in the universe had been caused.) then the only thing that can have caused it is something uncaused. This eliminates the need for a caused creator if the creator is uncaused. I'd say we don't know of an uncaused being but that one must exist if the universe had a cause/ beginning.
Westy
Why do you think this is a meaningful question?
Why's that?
I don't think that declaring the creator and the creation to be the same thing really resolves the question. If anything, it just piles more questions on top of it.
It's a thoughtless question based on sloppy reasoning. The so-called intended argument goes something like ...
- Theists argue that God must exist because the Cosmos needs a Creator.
- But if everything that exists requires a Creator, them something must have created God.
- If, however, you agree that God can exist without being created by something.
- Then it follows that you must agree that the Cosmos can exist without being created by something.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Simply, because the universe and God are pretty much the same in my eyes, and there's not some separate creating deity poofing things randomly into existence or anything, it doesn't have an affect on me for who created the universe and who created God.
The imagination and the barney bad........ no? Well God exists out side of creation and before creation....so those questions have no meaning.
God does not exist God just is...... exist is something his creation does...
maybe God came from another dimension? maybe God is a super computer who survived the end of the previous reality/universe and was programmed to recreate the universe and life...
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idk whose side your arguing for. not that there are sides here... see my above post....... kinda breaks the chain of this logic.....all though i think i agree with your post.
I disagree. I think it's a perfectly reasonable response to the Cosmological Argument, which itself is put forward often enough by theists that we can assume its premises for the purposes of a conversation without really getting out into uncharted territory.
If you don't like the Cosmological Argument, fine; neither do I. But you can't deny that it's a major part of mainstream theology.
In that model, how exactly is God (or the universe) a creator? How is the universe (or God) a creation?
It is precisely not "a perfectly reasonable response to the Cosmological Argument", and that is its problem. The Cosmological Argument does not argue that everything must be caused but, rather, that everything in nature must be caused, leading to (a) infinite regress, or (b) the necessity of an uncaused entity which can only be preternatural. To put forward an 'argument' as implied by the OP is to essentially say: "There can't be a God because for God to be uncaused would by unnatural." Well, gee ... :clap
That's a distortion of the Cosmological Argument. At the very least, it leaves important steps out.
To get from "an uncaused entity which can only be preternatural", we would need to argue, or at least assume, that:
- a set of "preternatural" things exists.
- the universe is not a member of this set.
- God, and apparently only God, is a member.
The Cosmological Argument doesn't work as an argument for God without this part, and the special pleading inherent in it is what was addressed by the OP.