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Where are Trump's financial data and tax returns?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by columbus, Oct 21, 2016.

  1. Penumbra

    Penumbra Veteran Member
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    US federal employees often have to disclose their financial positions and potential conflicts of interest with regard to things they are working on.

    The fact that it's optional for the President of the United States to disclose his or her finances and potential conflicts of interest is clearly outrageous. It's the most powerful position in the country and countless potential conflicts of interest exist.

    Donald Trump likely either has some awkward domestic or foreign financial debtors, or pays very little tax, or isn't nearly as wealthy as he claims to be. I suspect all three.
     
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  2. Shadow Wolf

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    I don't know if I'm right, but his behavior on the campaign calls into question how he goes about business, because business people do not like hearing "I have a plan...I have a great plan..." they like hearing how you're going to go about making this great plan a reality. Suggestions are nice, solutions are better.
    Exactly what he is doing when his rambles on about the election being rigged.
     
  3. Lighthouse

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    I personally am not offended. I don't like that Khan's wife couldn't potentially speak because she may not have been allowed to. It's easy to turn something that's not even racist or bigot and make it out to be just that. I do not admire man having that dictatorship over a women regardless of religion. I also don't like how Khan is being magnified and exploited for political gain. I can guess the man is making a lot of monetary gain from it too.
     
  4. Acim

    Acim Revelation all the time

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    You think this holds true if they are elected to the position?
     
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    Wow so hacked emails in favor of Trump is still not good enough. What do you need a personal diary?
     
  6. Acim

    Acim Revelation all the time

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    How exactly is that different from complaining?
     
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    Acim Revelation all the time

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    It's not her doing. If you want to see Trump's tax returns and play by same rules, then hack them.
     
  8. Penumbra

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    What good does it do if they are already elected?

    Federal employees naturally have to disclose finances before they engage in certain activities, and may either have to divest their conflict of interest or not participate in the activity if there is indeed a conflict. Why would the most powerful federal employee be exempt from this?

    American voters deserve to know if a candidate has foreign ties, for example. Or if he has interests in certain industries that his policies might impact. Or how his promised tax policies might affect his own taxation.
     
  9. Shadow Wolf

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    Complaining is saying something is wrong, and acting. Whining is standing around incessantly going on about "woe is poor little me."
     
  10. Lighthouse

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    Let's not jump to conclusions quite yet. This is a fallacy from the media and is exploiting minds. No one concedes a close election or admits defeat on Election Day. Trump could win the popular vote and lose from the electoral college. In my opinion, while redundant it is smart. He is aware they are out to get him. If he loses in the electoral college, he'd be right all along. The people would no longer trust in the process or system. By redundantly claiming rigging, it applies a lot of pressure on the electoral college. They then have a choice: override the people and claim to know what's best for the people or pass their pledges through faithfully.

    We all seen Hillary with Gore. We also won't see Hillary concede and accept defeat until the electoral college is complete.

    It is very deceptive and misleading to make someout out to appear dangerous and unstable because of this.
     
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    I don't encourage espionage for anything, I respect peoples privacy. Americans don't expect a whole lot of transparency and Americans certainly don't expect private emails to be part of the political process.
     
  12. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Google Trump's efforts to get the Iowa primaries redone.
    It's textbook.
    Tom
     
  13. Lighthouse

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    I know that Trump complains. Nothing new.
     
  14. Acim

    Acim Revelation all the time

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    It's the will of the people, rather than mandate by institutional government. As I am one of the people willing Trump to be elected, then shouldn't my non-desire to see his tax returns be part of the decision whether or not he should have to reveal or not (in order to become elected)?

    I don't think I'd characterize POTUS as a federal employee. I realize that's debatable, but it's certainly unlike most other federal employees. He/she has no superior to report to, and is there by elected desire of a segment of the population.

    Not sure if I agree on deserve to know. Agree on they may want to know. But if you are not voting for him, then is it that you want to know for support of him, or to attack him? I suspect the latter.

    It really is no different than all the things Hillary has guarded and refused to release to the public. Opponents want it all released so we can scrutinize and show all the things that make for conflict of interest (and there have been a whole lot of those come up as result of Wikileaks). But I'm fairly certain supporters don't care, nor do they think (all) voters deserve that information. Yet, it arguably does matter to her role as POTUS going forward.
     
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    o_OYou actually believe that don't you?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...6e52ec-571c-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html
     
  16. Acim

    Acim Revelation all the time

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    Cool, then end of discussion. Trump has indicated I think a desire to keep his tax returns private. Glad to know you respect that.
     
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    Acim Revelation all the time

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    That's complaining, not whining.
     
  18. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    It was classic whining.
    Whinging even.
    Trump cannot accept that he isn't nearly as great as he thinks he is.
    Tom
     
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  19. Lighthouse

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    Here's the thing, that is proof and evidence of nothing.
    It's matter of believing what she says or doesn't say.
    It is obvious there is political agenda with their story.

    That can fall under whining too. Self pity. For gain. Many soldiers lost their lives unnecessarily. Who is ultimately responsible for her sons death?
     
  20. Acim

    Acim Revelation all the time

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    Since Trump has not uttered those words, we know he isn't whining. And since he has complained about things that are wrong and is acting as president elect to bring attention to those things, so they can be undone or addressed, we know he's been complaining.
     
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