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Featured Wheel of Dharma Becoming a Launching Point

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Fool

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    like sands through the hour glass; so are the days of our lives.


    as a boddhisattva, could reincarnation be a positive thing? if self is only interested in win/lose, then self becomes lost to the game?



     
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    perhaps, it was not the individual, but the all, the poor, the widow the orphan,....who binds the limbs that are lame and feeds the ones that are hungry, visits the wretches in their existential prisons and empathically relates and helps them find the door?
    perhaps the solution was not the solution as it left behind pieces of the vital sol
    are we made perfect, apart from each other?
     
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    Reincarnation is a good thing, but nirvana is even better.
     
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    how....is reincarnation a good thing...given the terms and conditions of said re-incarnation?
    Just asking why you would think that?
     
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    Buddhist are deeply grateful for rebirth as the other option is cesation.
     
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    how can people be grateful for having their access to their memories of it ....blocked...memories sealed away....
    what lessons from the former lives lived do you recall in the frame of this one?
    Where is the progress of the soul evident if the access to the knowing acquired then is not retained in the now...
    one then has a condition which some have called damnesia...that damnable amnesia veil
    and the other option may not at all be cessation, just because you didn't get another mortal body, who do you think drives those monkey suits around?
     
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    Which teaching in Buddhism teaches "Win/lose"? Maybe I should understand where you got this teaching from! If you dont mind, please explain.

    As far as I know the core concept of Buddhism is neither win nor lose. Its the "in-between". Madhyama Prathipadhaa.
     
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    called attachment and results in karmic debt
     
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    Right. So you were talking about an attachment to either win or lose. Buddhism is Madhyama Prathipadhaa. Detached from both sides, and understanding the void in between. Thats the concept of Buddhism. So I believe the OP doesnt represent it properly.

    The question is based on a false premise. Yet, I could be corrected if you had something else in your mind.
     
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    I think a boddhisattva is a term used in Buddhism, but then reincarnation is not a Buddhist understanding, given it denies the existence of a persisting soul - are you meaning other Indian-derived religious traditions?
     
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    I think the "goal" of Buddhist teaching is to get off the wheel of rebirth through the cessation of craving.
     
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    That is correct.

    It is indeed called the Middle Way.

    Madhyamaka is associated with Nagarjuna, a later person than the Buddha, who influenced the ongoing development of Buddhist philosophy. Is that what you are referring to?
     
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    true the ego is just a costume, or mask, temporal. The soul eventually merges back into the eternal/infinite.

    Succession of the 14th Dalai Lama - Wikipedia
     
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    I don't buy into the dalai lama thing, maybe it's due to Buddhism mixing with the indigenous Bon religion, and/or an histoical political lever to retain power? Whatever the reason, the Buddha taught rebirth (the concept of soul is anathema and reincarnation is not a Buddhist teaching). The two words are often used interchangeably as if they meant the same thing.
     
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    Madhyama = Middle.
    Prathi = Consequent
    Padha = path

    Its in Tripitaka. Compiled 200 years before Nagarjuna. Thats the basic foundation of Buddhism.
     
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    OK thanks. My search brought up Madhyamaka :rolleyes:
     
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    You're going with the no true Scotsman fallacy?

    Bodhisattvas would be a problem for you too. Again the self, personality, ego, atman, persisting soul is temporal. The only permanent thing is paramatman. There is no conflict. There are no god's, I know know other. There is just God
     
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    Its in Tripitaka. Compiled 200 years before Nagarjuna. Thats the basic foundation of Buddhism.
     
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    Not really. Just going with the three essential marks of Buddhism - dukkha, anatta and anicca. No thing is permanent or has self-hood. No souls, no gods. Your mileage clearly varies.
     
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