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Wheel of Dharma Becoming a Launching Point

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
like sands through the hour glass; so are the days of our lives.


as a boddhisattva, could reincarnation be a positive thing? if self is only interested in win/lose, then self becomes lost to the game?



 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
perhaps, it was not the individual, but the all, the poor, the widow the orphan,....who binds the limbs that are lame and feeds the ones that are hungry, visits the wretches in their existential prisons and empathically relates and helps them find the door?
perhaps the solution was not the solution as it left behind pieces of the vital sol
are we made perfect, apart from each other?
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
Buddhist are deeply grateful for rebirth as the other option is cesation.
how can people be grateful for having their access to their memories of it ....blocked...memories sealed away....
what lessons from the former lives lived do you recall in the frame of this one?
Where is the progress of the soul evident if the access to the knowing acquired then is not retained in the now...
one then has a condition which some have called damnesia...that damnable amnesia veil
and the other option may not at all be cessation, just because you didn't get another mortal body, who do you think drives those monkey suits around?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
like sands through the hour glass; so are the days of our lives.


as a boddhisattva, could reincarnation be a positive thing? if self is only interested in win/lose, then self becomes lost to the game?




Which teaching in Buddhism teaches "Win/lose"? Maybe I should understand where you got this teaching from! If you dont mind, please explain.

As far as I know the core concept of Buddhism is neither win nor lose. Its the "in-between". Madhyama Prathipadhaa.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
like sands through the hour glass; so are the days of our lives.


as a boddhisattva, could reincarnation be a positive thing? if self is only interested in win/lose, then self becomes lost to the game?



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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Which teaching in Buddhism teaches "Win/lose"? Maybe I should understand where you got this teaching from! If you dont mind, please explain.

As far as I know the core concept of Buddhism is neither win nor lose. Its the "in-between". Madhyama Prathipadhaa.
called attachment and results in karmic debt
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
called attachment and results in karmic debt

Right. So you were talking about an attachment to either win or lose. Buddhism is Madhyama Prathipadhaa. Detached from both sides, and understanding the void in between. Thats the concept of Buddhism. So I believe the OP doesnt represent it properly.

The question is based on a false premise. Yet, I could be corrected if you had something else in your mind.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
as a boddhisattva, could reincarnation be a positive thing?

I think a boddhisattva is a term used in Buddhism, but then reincarnation is not a Buddhist understanding, given it denies the existence of a persisting soul - are you meaning other Indian-derived religious traditions?
 
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Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
true the ego is just a costume, or mask, temporal. The soul eventually merges back into the eternal/infinite.

Succession of the 14th Dalai Lama - Wikipedia
I don't buy into the dalai lama thing, maybe it's due to Buddhism mixing with the indigenous Bon religion, and/or an histoical political lever to retain power? Whatever the reason, the Buddha taught rebirth (the concept of soul is anathema and reincarnation is not a Buddhist teaching). The two words are often used interchangeably as if they meant the same thing.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
That is correct.



It is indeed called the Middle Way.

Madhyamaka is associated with Nagarjuna, a later person than the Buddha, who influenced the ongoing development of Buddhist philosophy. Is that what you are referring to?

Madhyama = Middle.
Prathi = Consequent
Padha = path

Its in Tripitaka. Compiled 200 years before Nagarjuna. Thats the basic foundation of Buddhism.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I don't buy into the dalai lama thing, maybe it's due to Buddhism mixing with the indigenous Bon religion, and/or an histoical political lever to retain power? Whatever the reason, the Buddha taught rebirth (the concept of soul is anathema and reincarnation is not a Buddhist teaching).

You're going with the no true Scotsman fallacy?

Bodhisattvas would be a problem for you too. Again the self, personality, ego, atman, persisting soul is temporal. The only permanent thing is paramatman. There is no conflict. There are no god's, I know know other. There is just God
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
You're going with the no true Scotsman fallacy?

Bodhisattvas would be a problem for you too. Again the self, personality, ego, atman, persisting soul is temporal. The only permanent thing is paramatman. There is no conflict. There are no god's, I know know other. There is just God
Not really. Just going with the three essential marks of Buddhism - dukkha, anatta and anicca. No thing is permanent or has self-hood. No souls, no gods. Your mileage clearly varies.
 
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