What's wrong with bestiality?

[The_Fisher_King]

Do you think there is anything wrong with bestiality (as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)? If not, why not? And similarly, if you do, where is the wrong in it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Do you think there is anything wrong with bestiality (as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)? If not, why not? And similarly, if you do, where is the wrong in it?

You mean "savagely cruel or depraved behavior" right? Right?

 

[Parsimony]

I really hope you aren't planning to tie homosexuality in with this somehow.

 

[Estro Felino]

Are you asking what's wrong with zoophiles? Well...I think that they have sex with their own equals...and I respect them, because I've always respected the animal world.

 

[BSM1]

Gives a whole new meaning to "dog eat dog" world.

 

[Aštra’el]

Is the sexual attraction towards tentacle monsters considered zoophilia?

 

[bobhikes]

Do you think there is anything wrong with bestiality (as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)? If not, why not? And similarly, if you do, where is the wrong in it?

Simply, sex should not be forced or coerced from a partner both partners should be conscience willing participants. With animals there is no way of telling if they are conscience willing participants so you very much may be harming them. Its the equal of having sex with a baby. You can get a baby to participate in sex with you but in no way is it right. Both thankfully are crimes.

 

[Acim]

Do you think there is anything wrong with bestiality (as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)? If not, why not? And similarly, if you do, where is the wrong in it?

I think it is generally wrong because of the non-consent aspect and because of the appearance. Neither of these are strong levels of wrongdoing in my book. To the degree I consider it 'very wrong' does make me wonder about lots of other things with regards to humans and animals. As the Wikipedia article notes, there are many things humans do in relation to animals that we thus far do not have their consent, yet I'm pretty sure we'll continue to do those things and essentially claim they are right (for us).

I honestly think of pet ownership as dancing on the line of whatever term is being used to express (strong) attraction by humans for animals. Just the simple act of petting is something I find questionable. And yet, I engage in that (though I don't currently have any pets myself). I find it odd that petting an animal is seen as 'perfectly okay' but petting any human would be seen, I think by many/most, as grooming (toward sexual advances). As a cat person (person that generally prefers cats over dogs), I feel there are numerous times where a cat will approach me (and other people) with seemingly the intent to be pet. I don't get that with dogs so much, but I'm sure it happens. I also know of a few (to several) pet owners that make it a point to sleep, or share the same bed, with their pets (mostly dogs). That really dances on a line for me, but I'm around 95% sure that it is 'in no way sexual for the human.' Though 5% of me does thinks, it could be. Overwhelming part of me thinks it is not, but then I still wonder what that is about exactly.

I consistently process this issue as a 'disturbing perversion.' Partially (or less so) because of my own thoughts about it, but mostly because of how vast majority of society treats it. I feel the amount of words I've put into my post is way more than most people would care to speak on the issue, and rather just write it off as - it's wrong, end of story. But the exact reasons it is wrong, and then putting that into context of all other things humans may do with or to animals does, IMO, open up the discussion or makes the 'it's plain wrong' assertions show up as 'phobic' in some fashion, to me.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

You mean "savagely cruel or depraved behavior" right? Right?

Nope. I mean having sexual intercourse/sexual relations with other animals.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I really hope you aren't planning to tie homosexuality in with this somehow.

Well, there are some linkages. But I don't have any specific agenda here. I find it a fascinating subject generally for the way that it opens up debate both about sex/sexuality and the relations between humans and other animals.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Are you asking what's wrong with zoophiles?

Not with zoophiles, but rather with zoophilia, and more specifically bestiality, i.e. not (sexual) attraction towards other animals, but specifically the act of having sexual intercourse or some other form of sexual relations with other animals.

Well...I think that they have sex with their own equals

Could you please expand on this?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Is the sexual attraction towards tentacle monsters considered zoophilia?

Assuming the tentacle monsters in question to be other animals, I would say yes. But I was getting more specifically not at sexual attraction, but at engaging in some form of sexual act with another (non-human) animal.

 

[lovesong]

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you aren't injuring the animal or holding it when it is clearly struggling to get away. It's not my thing, and I feel like you could get some kind of disease or bad bacteria from inter-species squishy-parts-mingling, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Simply, sex should not be forced or coerced from a partner both partners should be conscience willing participants. With animals there is no way of telling if they are conscience willing participants so you very much may be harming them. Its the equal of having sex with a baby. You can get a baby to participate in sex with you but in no way is it right. Both thankfully are crimes.

Why should sex not be forced on a partner?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I think it is generally wrong because of the non-consent aspect and because of the appearance. Neither of these are strong levels of wrongdoing in my book. To the degree I consider it 'very wrong' does make me wonder about lots of other things with regards to humans and animals. As the Wikipedia article notes, there are many things humans do in relation to animals that we thus far do not have their consent, yet I'm pretty sure we'll continue to do those things and essentially claim they are right (for us).

I honestly think of pet ownership as dancing on the line of whatever term is being used to express (strong) attraction by humans for animals. Just the simple act of petting is something I find questionable. And yet, I engage in that (though I don't currently have any pets myself). I find it odd that petting an animal is seen as 'perfectly okay' but petting any human would be seen, I think by many/most, as grooming (toward sexual advances). As a cat person (person that generally prefers cats over dogs), I feel there are numerous times where a cat will approach me (and other people) with seemingly the intent to be pet. I don't get that with dogs so much, but I'm sure it happens. I also know of a few (to several) pet owners that make it a point to sleep, or share the same bed, with their pets (mostly dogs). That really dances on a line for me, but I'm around 95% sure that it is 'in no way sexual for the human.' Though 5% of me does thinks, it could be. Overwhelming part of me thinks it is not, but then I still wonder what that is about exactly.

I consistently process this issue as a 'disturbing perversion.' Partially (or less so) because of my own thoughts about it, but mostly because of how vast majority of society treats it. I feel the amount of words I've put into my post is way more than most people would care to speak on the issue, and rather just write it off as - it's wrong, end of story. But the exact reasons it is wrong, and then putting that into context of all other things humans may do with or to animals does, IMO, open up the discussion or makes the 'it's plain wrong' assertions show up as 'phobic' in some fashion, to me.

This is exactly the kind of thoughtful response I was looking for!

 

[Skwim]

Do you think there is anything wrong with bestiality (as defined here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)? If not, why not? And similarly, if you do, where is the wrong in it?

Your link is very poor. I found this is much better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia

As for your question. I don't see anything wrong with it. The most reasonable objections I've ever seen have been based on the yuck factor.

Simply, sex should not be forced or coerced from a partner both partners should be conscience willing participants. With animals there is no way of telling if they are conscience willing participants so you very much may be harming them.

Oh, you mean things like making dogs, mules, and horses pull wagons and sleds, and carry heavy packs on the backs for miles upon miles in bad weather? In any case, I did a quick Google search using "bestiality porno" and find there are quite a few bestiality video sites listed. In the one I accessed the animals appear either eger to participate or are indifferent to it.

Its the equal of having sex with a baby. You can get a baby to participate in sex with you but in no way is it right. Both thankfully are crimes.

Hardly.


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[Skwim]

I think it is generally wrong because of the non-consent aspect and because of the appearance. Neither of these are strong levels of wrongdoing in my book. To the degree I consider it 'very wrong' does make me wonder about lots of other things with regards to humans and animals. As the Wikipedia article notes, there are many things humans do in relation to animals that we thus far do not have their consent, yet I'm pretty sure we'll continue to do those things and essentially claim they are right (for us).

I honestly think of pet ownership as dancing on the line of whatever term is being used to express (strong) attraction by humans for animals. Just the simple act of petting is something I find questionable. And yet, I engage in that (though I don't currently have any pets myself). I find it odd that petting an animal is seen as 'perfectly okay' but petting any human would be seen, I think by many/most, as grooming (toward sexual advances). As a cat person (person that generally prefers cats over dogs), I feel there are numerous times where a cat will approach me (and other people) with seemingly the intent to be pet. I don't get that with dogs so much, but I'm sure it happens. I also know of a few (to several) pet owners that make it a point to sleep, or share the same bed, with their pets (mostly dogs). That really dances on a line for me, but I'm around 95% sure that it is 'in no way sexual for the human.' Though 5% of me does thinks, it could be. Overwhelming part of me thinks it is not, but then I still wonder what that is about exactly.

I consistently process this issue as a 'disturbing perversion.' Partially (or less so) because of my own thoughts about it, but mostly because of how vast majority of society treats it. I feel the amount of words I've put into my post is way more than most people would care to speak on the issue, and rather just write it off as - it's wrong, end of story. But the exact reasons it is wrong, and then putting that into context of all other things humans may do with or to animals does, IMO, open up the discussion or makes the 'it's plain wrong' assertions show up as 'phobic' in some fashion, to me.

I've always suspected that more than a couple of women, typically single, keep dogs, in part or whole, for sexual purposes.

Why should sex not be forced on a partner?

Other than referencing one's children, depriving a person of their liberty to choose is against most ethical standards. Would you appreciate being forced to do X when you didn't want to?


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[The_Fisher_King]

Your link is very poor. I found this is much better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia

Hmm. Curious.

As for your question. I don't see anything wrong with it. The most reasonable objections I've ever seen have been based on the yuck factor.

Quite.

Oh, you mean things like making dogs, mules, and horses pull wagons and sleds, and carry heavy packs on the backs for miles upon miles in bad weather?

Indeed!

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Other than referencing one's children, depriving a person of their liberty to choose is against most ethical standards. Would you appreciate being forced to do X when you didn't want to?

Is a dog, for example, a person, in your opinion?

 

[Skwim]

Is a dog, for example, a person, in your opinion?

Obviously not. What is your point?


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