Whats the facination with Born Of a Virgin?

[crystalonyx]

Not so I know full well that disagreeing with someone does not make them hostile- but towards some of the earlier posters it seems quite harsh, so if not hostile, then certainly bordering on it.

I really see no great hostility, particularly compared to some other posters on these boards.

 

[Breathe]

I really see no great hostility, particularly compared to some other posters on these boards.

Here;

I just gave some, maybe you missed it. Try reading for comprehension.

Sorry, not what I was talking about. Try something else.

I find the tone in these to be. Compared to some on these boards, though, no.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A mantra you zealously chant but for which you have zero evidence.

I just gave some, maybe you missed it.

Or maybe your standard of evidence is pathetically deficient. Try again. (This should be fun.)

 

[crystalonyx]

Here;





I find the tone in these to be. Compared to some on these boards, though, no.

Compared to the tone of the posts he was replying to, definitely not.

 

[Breathe]

Compared to the tone of the posts he was replying to, definitely not.

But not all - and besides, he was the one who started claiming that Jesus did not exist. This thread is not about that.

After all, this is a discussion about the fascination with Jesus being born as a virgin - not about whether or Jesus did not exist - it's unfair to BalanceFX to come in and hijack his thread with something which is not the subject at hand, especially.

 

[crystalonyx]

But not all - and besides, he was the one who started claiming that Jesus did not exist. This thread is not about that.

After all, this is a discussion about the fascination with Jesus being born as a virgin - not about whether or Jesus did not exist - it's unfair to BalanceFX to come in and hijack his thread with something which is not the subject at hand, especially.

As far as I can tell, logician merely posted some similiarities between some pre-existent religions and Christianity, it was you Matthew and maybe a couple of others that started geting huffy about the existence of Jesus, and he responded.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Huffy?

 

[logician]

Or maybe your standard of evidence is pathetically deficient. Try again. (This should be fun.)

What was that Odion posted about ME being hostile? LOL

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Or maybe your standard of evidence is pathetically deficient. Try again. (This should be fun.)

What was that Odion posted about ME being hostile? LOL

You found that comment hostile? :biglaugh:

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Now, my dear logician (if I'm permitted to so abuse the word) what, specifically is your evidence?

 

[Wandered Off]

Obviously you can't be redeemed in some imaginary savior you merely thought of.

Why not?

 

[DOTE]

I'm saying that it's like thinking that you can walk across a bridge that only exists in your imagination or something you are only pretending about. I'm talking more specifically about cult leaders and such rather than people who discover God for themselves.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I think of all authors of the Bible, Luke is the most trustworthy of a source you can find and is probably considered by many to be an exceptional historian.

And I disagree. We have no way of knowing how he verified his sources for information. All we have is his words saying he received the information he had from those who said they were eyewitnesses. Who were these witnesses and how can we be sure they were telling the truth.....better yet...how can we be sure Luke didn't make it all up as well as plagiarizing from earlier source material in order to further Paul's agenda to convert?

 

[logician]

I don't really search for this kinda stuff, as I believe Jesus existed. The question could very well be, "who copied whom?" - but of course, it's the Christians copying - it has to be if one wants to say Jesus was a myth.

So your thesis is there were no parallel traditions at all to Christianity, before Christianity came along, it all just "sprang" out of the minds of the unknown writers
of the gospels?

That's harder to swallow than horse pills.

 

[rojse]

A somewhat irrevelent question, but important to me - how would people thousands of years ago have been able to test the claims of a woman being a virgin mother?

 

[Storm]

Look for a hymen (before birth, of course).

 

[Dirty Penguin]

if you were to say that christ did not exist to what truth are you justified. You can't say Christ does not exist because whether or not he lived people believe in their salvation through him. Then if you are saying that he is created by some person's mind then to what end did they conjure this "god". Obviously you can't be redeemed in some imaginary savior you merely thought of. Then if Christ did live but was not divine, how can you say that he was not divine. If you don't believe in him then you obviously can't be saved this being opposite to your belief in him. Frankly he is divine if you have faith and ordinary if you don't believe

You ponder your own salvation. I'm fine without your god.......

Now that I got that off my chest....What "historical" data is available to confirm the existence of the biblical Yeshua? Remember, just because I said biblical does not mean you can use it as a source for historical purposes. I want true independent information of his supposed existence.

 

[rojse]

Look for a hymen (before birth, of course).

From the wonderous wiki:

Hymen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

, it is not possible to confirm that a woman or post-pubescent girl is not a virgin by examining the hymen.[4]. In cases of suspected rape or sexual abuse, a detailed examination of the hymen may be carried out; however, the condition of the hymen alone is often inconclusive or open to misinterpretation, especially if the patient has reached puberty

 

[logician]

if you were to say that christ did not exist to what truth are you justified. You can't say Christ does not exist because whether or not he lived people believe in their salvation through him. Then if you are saying that he is created by some person's mind then to what end did they conjure this "god". Obviously you can't be redeemed in some imaginary savior you merely thought of. Then if Christ did live but was not divine, how can you say that he was not divine. If you don't believe in him then you obviously can't be saved this being opposite to your belief in him. Frankly he is divine if you have faith and ordinary if you don't believe

Wow, people exist thru the power of positive thinking, that's very comforting.

But quite unlikely.

 

[Storm]

From the wonderous wiki:

Hymen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Doesn't mean that's not what they would do.