Bible tells me so.
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What's the difference between "evolution" and "adaptation"?
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Bible tells me so.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
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We have it on good authority from the Bible that the world is not under the control of the Creator at present and hasn't been since mankind's choice to disobey the command to respect God's property at the beginning.
The death penalty was passed on the rebels right there in Eden but no one was told 'how' it would be implemented. The first humans probably did not know how their actions would affect their children or the world in general. This is why we have scripture to explain what went wrong, and how God goes about getting us back what our first parents lost for us. (Isaiah 55:11)
World rulership was handed over to a pretender who wanted what rightfully belonged to the Creator....worship. (Luke 4:5-7) So God allowed him time to prove himself as man's choice of new god and ruler. It was the only way to prove that God's command was for their own good. Unleashing a knowledge of evil soon saw the practice of it. Within one generation, the first murderer made his appearance. Mankind has been degenerating ever since.
Humans lost so much in the day that they ate the forbidden fruit. They lost their relationship with God, their paradise home, beautiful food ripe for the picking, and their physical, spiritual and moral perfection. Their immune systems began to break down opening them up to invasion by viruses and bacteria, previously dealt with by their perfectly functioning immune response. Aging and death were to follow as surely as night follows day. None of us feel that aging and death are a normal part of life....they were never supposed to happen.
We can see from the Bible that all humans were originally vegetarians and we have reason to believe that animals were as well. Some of the largest and strongest animals on earth are still vegetarians....like Elephants, Gorillas, Giraffes, Brahma Bulls and even gigantic dinosaurs were known to be herbivores. God gave humans permission to eat flesh only after the flood of Noah's day. He doesn't tell us why, but there must have been a good reason. Perhaps the animals became meat eaters then too.....the Bible doesn't say.
All we know is that the world has been controlled by God's adversary since the rebellion of which he was the instigator.
The Bible indicates that all things will return to our original condition, but not until all the issues raised in Eden are settled.
It all makes perfect sense to me.....
freddiyzdead
New Member
Will there be anything else?
Yes. @Deeje you are the embodiment of why I am not a christian. I was raised one, but it was mainly insufferable people like yourself that caused me to ultimately reject the whole thing.
Don't get me wrong, you're not the only one who has the entire concept of evolution completely wrong. Even reasonably intelligent and open-minded people get it all wrong. Nevertheless, evolution of animals (that's the type of evolution we are interested in here) has been going on ever since the first fish walked out of the water on its fins that had become somewhat like feet, and managed to breathe air because its gills had somehow mutated into something like lungs and could do it. We are all descendants of this creature, because we are all vertebrates. All that follows is a long series of evolutionary (in the Darwinian sense of survival of the fittest) and adaptatory changes, with those having a positive survival value being incorporated in the gene pool. Occasionally, a mutation occurs. Mutations are random changes in the DNA sequence. The vast majority of mutations are not helpful and die out. Ones that are beneficial or neutral tend to get passed on. This is why we have the variety of types of humans that we do. Those adaptations/mutations that occurred in populations that remained isolated for a long time gave us the variety we have today. In particular, all the natives of the Indian subcontinent can be traced back to a very few individuals. So, too, with the Africans. Because they were isolated for a long time until quite recently. But they are all humans. Just as we have so many breeds of dog, but in that case, the natural evolutionary process has been sabotaged by well-meaning humans through selective breeding. So, they are all just wolves, but you'd hardly know it. So, any population kept in isolation will head in its own direction. This will continue until it no longer resembles the original organism. Modern civilization with global travel has removed most of the isolation and will eventually remove all of the variety, and we will have a planet full of coffee-coloured people. I can't wait.
The flaw in human reasoning that skews our thinking is the result of the fact that we see things in terms of ourselves and our own lifespan, so we think 100 years is a long time. It isn't. The basic truth is that anything is possible, given sufficient time for it to occur in. The human mind cannot grasp the concept of a billion years. Next month's bottom line is as far as most people can see. If we could all take the long-term view, then we would have no more need for greed and corruption. However, the basic human propensity for self-serving and clinging to superstitions will almost ensure that the misery, fear and suspicion we see all around us will remain a permanent feature until the planet figures out a way to get rid of us. Superstitions include the big imaginary friend up in the sky somewhere.
Yes. @Deeje you are the embodiment of why I am not a christian. I was raised one, but it was mainly insufferable people like yourself that caused me to ultimately reject the whole thing.
Don't get me wrong, you're not the only one who has the entire concept of evolution completely wrong. Even reasonably intelligent and open-minded people get it all wrong. Nevertheless, evolution of animals (that's the type of evolution we are interested in here) has been going on ever since the first fish walked out of the water on its fins that had become somewhat like feet, and managed to breathe air because its gills had somehow mutated into something like lungs and could do it. We are all descendants of this creature, because we are all vertebrates. All that follows is a long series of evolutionary (in the Darwinian sense of survival of the fittest) and adaptatory changes, with those having a positive survival value being incorporated in the gene pool. Occasionally, a mutation occurs. Mutations are random changes in the DNA sequence. The vast majority of mutations are not helpful and die out. Ones that are beneficial or neutral tend to get passed on. This is why we have the variety of types of humans that we do. Those adaptations/mutations that occurred in populations that remained isolated for a long time gave us the variety we have today. In particular, all the natives of the Indian subcontinent can be traced back to a very few individuals. So, too, with the Africans. Because they were isolated for a long time until quite recently. But they are all humans. Just as we have so many breeds of dog, but in that case, the natural evolutionary process has been sabotaged by well-meaning humans through selective breeding. So, they are all just wolves, but you'd hardly know it. So, any population kept in isolation will head in its own direction. This will continue until it no longer resembles the original organism. Modern civilization with global travel has removed most of the isolation and will eventually remove all of the variety, and we will have a planet full of coffee-coloured people. I can't wait.
The flaw in human reasoning that skews our thinking is the result of the fact that we see things in terms of ourselves and our own lifespan, so we think 100 years is a long time. It isn't. The basic truth is that anything is possible, given sufficient time for it to occur in. The human mind cannot grasp the concept of a billion years. Next month's bottom line is as far as most people can see. If we could all take the long-term view, then we would have no more need for greed and corruption. However, the basic human propensity for self-serving and clinging to superstitions will almost ensure that the misery, fear and suspicion we see all around us will remain a permanent feature until the planet figures out a way to get rid of us. Superstitions include the big imaginary friend up in the sky somewhere.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Actually it is right. Cladistics tell us that all the offspring of a member of a clade will still be in that particular clade. That is why we are still apes, we are still mammals, we are still tetrapods, we are still vertebrates, etc. and so on with groups of ever increasing sizes. "Change of kind" is a creationist strawman.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That depends on how one looks at it. All divisions are essentially man-made as nothing appears to be stand-alone. We are a "naked ape", as Desmond Morris wrote about. OTOH, there is the issue of "species".
So, I do agree with you, but I do have to be at least a wee bit picky to try and keep you on your toes.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That depends on how one looks at it. All divisions are essentially man-made as nothing appears to be stand-alone. We are a "naked ape", as Desmond Morris wrote about. OTOH, there is the issue of "species".
So, I do agree with you, but I do have to be at least a wee bit picky to try and keep you on your toes.
The fact that there is no iron clad definition of what a species is is evidence for the theory of evolution itself. If there was such a thing as 'created kinds' then we could find lines that could not be crossed. But one thing that I do like about cladistics is that it avoids the species problem. It explains why a dog cannot evolve into a cat. Another false concept of evolution that creationists have. Evolution is a one way street.
The logical outcome (and reinforcement) of Jeremy England's hypothesis that life is the product of entropy.
Sapiens
Polymathematician
More accurately we are the "third chimpanzee."That depends on how one looks at it. All divisions are essentially man-made as nothing appears to be stand-alone. We are a "naked ape", as Desmond Morris wrote about. OTOH, there is the issue of "species".
So, I do agree with you, but I do have to be at least a wee bit picky to try and keep you on your toes.