Ben Avraham
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You simply repeated my question perhaps meaning it to be your reply. Have you noticed that? I am sorry to remind you.
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What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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You simply repeated my question perhaps meaning it to be your reply. Have you noticed that? I am sorry to remind you.
Your original post said: "The point is that nothing can cause only nothing to exist. Things exist though and, only something or Someone must have caused them to exist. What or Who caused the Universe to exist? Do you have any idea?"
I'm just saying that no what or Who caused the universe to exist. There's never been a time when the universe hasn't existed. There was never a time an hour before the universe existed where something or Someone hadn't caused it to exist yet. Asking what or Who caused the Universe to exist is meaningless. And even if there had been a time an hour before the universe existed claiming that something or Someone had caused it to exist wouldn't help much because then you just would have to explain what caused something or Someone to exist in the first place.
Milton Platt
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Nothing at all. The other question is the more obvious and important....What is wrong with people whom choose do believe in supernatural beings when there is no good evidence for their existence?
Ben Avraham
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Well, if there has never been a time that the Universe has not existed, why would the Scientists speak of the age of the Universe by means of the carbon-14? To speak of age for the Universe is an evidence that there was a time when the Universe had not existed. That's before it was caused to exist. So, Who caused the Universe to exist? You can't escape that. The Universe is composed of matter and matter has not existed for eternity. Why? Because we are parts of the Universe and we all know that we are born, and die. The Universe cannot be eternal if it is composed of temporary elements. The concept of Causality likewise, does not work when nothing is being caused. So, by necessity, the Primal Cause Who could not have been caused became responsible for the existence of the Universe.
The universe and time exist together! No universe, no time! Time exists because the universe exists! There was no time before the universe existed! To have time you have to have a universe!
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Not necessarily. There's no reason to believe the Primal Cause (i.e. your god) is actually the Primal Cause beyond theological convenience for you. The title of 'Primal Cause' can be applied with equal validity to an infinite number of Causers existing prior to your god which have as much likelihood of existing.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Well, prove what you say above by producing the proper evidence for you claim. If not the Primal Cause, Who could have caused the Universe to exist? If you don't know, just say you don't know. That's all!
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
The Primal Cause is not subject to time. Since time is an accident of matter in motion, there would be no time without matter. At least you know that there was no time before the Universe existed. I commend you for that. Work from that perspective and you will probably conceive the truth about the Primal Cause.
LOL Since there was no time before the Universe existed there was no time in which your Primal Cause could exist and hadn't caused the universe yet. So your Primal Cause theory is logically impossible.