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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Kirran

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    I can't explain the process of DNA transcription to a child, that doesn't mean I don't understand it.
     
  2. sovietchild

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    Why not?
     
  3. Kirran

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    Well, actually, I suppose I can explain them. But I hold out low hopes for the child being able to understand, as a result of their still-developing intellectual capacities.
     
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  4. The Kilted Heathen

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    Is it a god? If not, it's not religious. This isn't that complicated to understand, soviet, yet still you're trying to trap people with incredibly lame "gotcha!" methods.
     
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    How many Muslims here are fine with the Kaaba being smashed or otherwise damaged or destroyed by non-Muslims?
     
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  6. sovietchild

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    Hmm, really?

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  7. The Kilted Heathen

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    You're trying to spin the wrong guy; I consider saints to be demi-gods in the Christian right. So that's religious. The people at the statue of Lenin are being no more religious than people leaving flowers on the graves of loved ones.

    You're still not proving any point; you're just flailing.
     
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    I am late comer to this thread, and I have not read every one of 39 pages, so I don't know if it has been said yet but it is glaringly obvious, Sovietchild is an obvious troll. No, not because he holds a view that it is OK to smash others idols, if he can provide arguments for it then he can argue it. In fact I can play devils advocate here and make an argument myself for why it is OK to smash others idols(and I accept idol worship). However, all I have seen Sovietchild do is post one liners, make little attempt to argue his case, respond to others objections and just enjoy how much he has frustrated people. This thread is a typical example of a troll/flame-bait. I am surprised it has gone on for approx 800 pages and still not been closed.

    Anyway, since I posted now, I will make some arguments for why it is NOT ok to smash idols another's idol, even though I know the OP is a troll.

    1. For the same reason it is not OK to make cartoons of Mohammed, burn Qurans, or bomb the Mecca. If you go around smashing the idols of non-Muslims, then you allow for them to do the same. This means you create hatred for your fellow Muslims and endanger them. I doubt your fellow Muslims would appreciate that.​

    2. For the same reason you would not let somebody spit on or masturbate yours or your parents portrait​

    3. For the same reason you would not destroy somebody else's private property. If you think you are entitled to do that, then others are entitled to do that to you. I am sure you would be the first person to complain if somebody came and bulldozed your house.

    4. For the same reason you would not steal, kill or rape -- it is evil. Today, it is against International Law.

    5. Because you vindicate the fears of a massive number of people that Islam is a religion of violence and terrorism. If you convince enough people in the world that Islam is that, then Islam will soon be wiped out and people like you will get blamed by your fellow Muslims for that genocide. If you honestly do not care for the plight of your own kind, then really your just a misanthrope in disguise as a Muslim, probably frustrated with life, want to die and want to take everybody with you.​
     
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  9. sovietchild

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    One of us surely flailing. Where did this practice of leaving flowers on the graves of loved ones came from anyways? Didn't it came from the Vikings?

    What's a demi-god anyways, is it something like this?

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  10. SomeRandom

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    Uhh didn't the Vikings largely burn their deceased?
     
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    Well, that's what I thought they did. Didn't they decorate boats with flowers or something like that?
     
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    Pretty sure it was mostly weapons and various items actually. Though I'm not particularly well versed on Ancient Norse Customs. Either way, I'm pretty sure the whole flowers on the grave thing comes from Ancient Rome. Or perhaps before them even, since the whole practice of placing anything on gravesites of loved ones dates back to, well, whenever the hell we started to bury our dead. We're talking hundreds of thousands of years here.
     
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  13. The Kilted Heathen

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    Are you just full of tired, cliché lines?

    You are just intent on tying the two together, aren't you? Tell me, what would that achieve? If secular and political statues and customs are equated with religious observances, how would that bode well for your argument and support of the destruction of idols?

    No, the North Koreans actually regard and worship the Kims as gods. So a very poor example on your part; worse than the saints.

    Nobles and kings would be burned on their ship, with their possessions. The common man was buried in family barrows or graves. Vikings specifically (Norseman were the people, Viking is an occupation) would have buried their dead abroad with their horse and weapons. Those who died at sea would have been "buried" at sea.
     
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    A lot of us, don't come from North Korea, sovietchild, so how is any of your claims about statues of Kims relevant to people here?

    I don't give a rat's *** about Korean statues.

    That you keep bringing up North Korea, or even former soviet nations, just show desperate you are, moving goalpost to countries I don't really care about, is merely diverting attention away from your own topic with trivials.
     
  15. sovietchild

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    The practice of presenting gifts to graves in Russia probably came from the Vikings, because Russians are descendants of the Vikings. So, presenting gifts to Soviet Union statues considers as religious act, because that's what Vikings used to do, and that's what they believed in. The believe passed on. I think those types of religious acts needs to be abandoned, and the statues destroyed.

    Is that clear?
     
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  16. The Kilted Heathen

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    The Norse. Even still, practically everyone leaves flowers or memorials on graves. So yet again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
     
  17. sovietchild

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    Who is everyone? Eastern Asians are known to burn the buddy. Has to be Vikings descendants right? And, majority of Christians celebrate Santa Clause day, another descendant of Viking beliefs.

    More like 1/4 of population.
     
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    Soviet Union might have banned all the religions, but they continued to practice Norse religion. The regime committed idolatry by giving tips to statues, the religious act of Norse people.

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  19. The Kilted Heathen

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    And yet they still leave things for the dead.

    Once more for those who have trouble paying attention: NORSE. VIKING IS A PROFESSION.

    Partially; so what?

    No, they didn't. The Norse weren't the only ones to leave flowers for statues, or give offerings to idols of gods. Also Slavic paganism - while similar - was different than Norse paganism.

    You're still rambling. So, yet again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
     
  20. sovietchild

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    The point is, tipping statues is a pagan act.
     
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