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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Kirran

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    There are, however, lots of examples where things are not so good for religious minorities. Notably, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, the UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and increasingly Malaysia. Other countries are more secular and have less of such problems, such as Albania, Chad and Niger.
     
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  2. FearGod

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    Not true.

    Muslims, Jews and Christians were living side by side very peacefully.

    Instead of believing the written words then why not to believe a seen fact.
    A video was recorded in Jerusalem when it was a Muslim land, you
    can see Jews praying freely while many Muslims are praying too,
    all of them practicing their own religion peacefully not as the case
    of today when the Zionists created the hatred between Muslims and
    Jews in Palestine in order to create the state of Israel.

     
  3. LuisDantas

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    If history is any indication, that is very much the exception. It may have happened in Iberia and arguably more recently in Iran (albeit at a terrible price). Most of the other candidates I can think of seem to have been situations of a Muslim regime overthrowing another.
     
  4. Kirran

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    There are places other than Palestine.
     
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    No conflict should be between people for their choices of religion but if a conflict
    happened due to Fitna then don't blame religion but blame those who spread
    and created the Fitna and God had promised a severe punishment for those
    who create Fitna and hatred among people.
     
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    I wonder where and when that happened.

    What you describe sure does not remind one of the current examples of Muslim regimes.

    It does not even resemble the stated goals of the current Muslim regimes.

    Therefore, you are in effect asking people to trust your word on a claim that runs against the grain of nearly all of the available evidence.
     
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    Why should religion (or, in this case, not religion but instead Islaam) not be blamed for what it causes?

    It is good that you describe that situation as "Fitna", since that reminds one of a certain 2008 movie about the subject.
     
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    Hatred was created and still for a purpose made by few individuals.
     
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    Generally speaking, I don't think that is an accurate descripition of the typical situation involving Islaamic violence and hatred.

    Then again, if I did, that would only mean that we agree that Muslim communities are fertile ground for hatred to develop and express itself.
     
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    You can't blame religion for the stupid things that people do, they'll do regardless
    of religion, sometimes for power and money or even just racism.
     
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    Right, nice theorising, but there is active oppression of non-Muslim minorities in those countries I mentioned. I personally know people who have been driven from those countries as a result.
     
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    So, you are now claiming that religion is useless?

    Fortunately, on that you are simply mistaken.
     
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    No community is immunized, see for example what Trump is doing, he created
    the hatred between the Mexicans and the Americans and between Muslims and
    the Americans and he'll still go further and further with it.
     
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    Did you just cite the Ottoman empire of all places as "peaceful?"
    Either way, so ****ing what? There have been recorded cases throughout history of Muslim leaders persecuting other people and the other way around. Like Jesus on a breadstick, be a man and own your own history, or you'll be doomed to repeat it. Coward.
     
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    'But the kuffar are doing it too!' is not an adequate defence.

    Also, don't give him too much credit. He's just stoking pre-existing fires.
     
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    Do you blame the gun for killing people? if you do then you can blame Islam as well.
     
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    That was just an example, but my point is that few individuals can do harm
    for the whole community by their own plans.
     
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    That is happening nowadays and it wasn't before, Egypt is following those
    who work in spreading the Fitna and at least they alarmed their citizens that
    some are working on it and they should be alert.
     
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    None of this addresses the fact that these countries oppress their non-Muslim minorities.
     
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    What kind of oppression and what facts you have?
     
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