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nature of Christ and theThe bible says we can know and understand the mystery if we read and study the bible (Eph.3:3,4) (2Tim.3:15) (Luke 1:4) (1John 2;21 ; 3:24).
Baerly
I think Baerly is bang right on! If we study the teachings of the holy books we will begin to understand God. One of the first things to learn is that God is beyond us. Can we understand eternity? The mere thought of the billions of gallaxies boggles the mind. So what can we understand about God?
Ok, why did God put all these religions on earth? Apparently the religions of the world conflict and are different from each other. Some believe the world religions were put here by the, 'evil doer', leaving exception to their own beliefs. I am certain the evil doer is the man-made dogma that will stand in front of the whole truth about God, ie, why are all these religions on earth.
So, why are all these religions on earth?
nature of Christ and the
And the TaNakh says that God cannot be known--who do you believe the Old Testament or the words of Timothy, Paul and John. They are not referring to the Mysatery of God anyway, but reather knowing the mystery of Jesus. The nature of Christ and the nature of God are not one and the same--even to many Christians.
Accoprding to Moses the Shekinah cannot be seen and one survive the experience.
Regards,
Scott
1. Ephesians is not a Gospel, the words are not Christ's. Neither are Corinthians nor any of the other Epistles the words of Jesus.
2.The purpose of our Creation is to know and worship God. But our knowledge will never b e complete, because the XCreator is beyond our ken.From:
Baerly writes: Hi again Popeyesays, Let me address your points.
1. Please notice Popeye, that the apostle Paul wrote ,The things I write to you are the commandments of the Lord (1Cor.14:37). This sounds like to me that Paul is telling us what he (Paul) wrote was in fact the very words and commandments of Jesus.
Notice please that the apostle Paul wrote the book of Ephesians. So I would say according to the verses above it also was the very words of Jesus. How can anyone get around this without denying the words of the bible? And if one denies the words of the bible,they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life (Acts 13:46).
Please note that the apostles listened to all that Jesus said to them in (John 14,15,16) while He gave them THE message He wanted to deliver (Jude 3). In (John 14:26 ; 16:13) Jesus told them (the apostles) the Holy Spirit (comforter) was going to come to them when He (Jesus) left the earth and bring back to their rememberance all things that Jesus had said to them. They then would record those thoughts in what we know now as the bible (2Peter 1:19-21).
It is through this knowledge, that the epistles of the New Testament contains, that we learn how to wortship and please our God (1Thess.4:1,2) (Luke 6:44)(1Cor.1:8-10) (1John 3:7) (2Tim.3:14-17) (Phil.3:16,17). We are to teach no other doctrine (1Tim.1:3).
2. The purpose of the creation is to reveal that there is a God (a creator) (Rom. 1:20). BUT, the creation alone,separate and aprt from the word of God (the bible) canot teach us how to worship our Lord.
Also the Lord does not accept just any kind of worship according to (1John 3:12) (Mt.15:9) (Mt. 7:13-24). We must do the sayings of Jesus and some of those commandments were recorded by the apostle Paul according to (1Cor.14:37). He said the things that I write unto you ARE the commandments of the Lord (1Cor.14:37).
Let us speak the word of the Lord (1Peter 4:11).
Baerly
Please notice that Paul NEVER HEARD JESUS speak. Paul was in Greece when Jesus lived and taught, and most of the Apostles did not consider Paul to be among their numkber. In fact it was a disagreement with James that led to Paul's death at the hands of the Romans.
So, Paul has absolutely no authority whatsoever to tell us what Jesus said or did not say.
If you choose to give him that authority, that's your choice and yours alone.
Regards,
Scott
Abdu'l Baha said:After Christ four disciples, among whom were Peter and Paul, permitted the use of animal food forbidden by the Bible, except the eating of those animals which had been strangled, or which were sacrificed to idols, and of blood.[1] They also forbade fornication. They maintained these four commandments. Afterward, Paul permitted even the eating of strangled animals, those sacrificed to idols, and blood, and only maintained the prohibition of fornication. 94 So in chapter 14, verse 14 of his Epistle to the Romans, Paul writes: "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."
[1 Acts 15:20.]
Also in the Epistle of Paul to Titus, chapter 1, verse 15: "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 93)
But that quote in my post says that Paul abrogated a Mosaic Law.Paul and Peter did indeed speak so, Paul was a good man, he just did not have the accuracy of knowledge. Remember, Baha`u'llah and Abdu'l Baha speak of the supremacy of Peter.
When Paul speaks it is good guidance, but it is not authoritative interpretation.
Regards,
Scott
Actually, I just realized that this is a DIR forum, so I will withdraw from further posting here. Not that this was really debate between Scott and myself (more like discussion I think)...but it probably is out of place here. :sorry1: