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What is the Whole Truth About God?
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I think Baerly is bang right on! If we study the teachings of the holy books we will begin to understand God. One of the first things to learn is that God is beyond us. Can we understand eternity? The mere thought of the billions of gallaxies boggles the mind. So what can we understand about God?
Ok, why did God put all these religions on earth? Apparently the religions of the world conflict and are different from each other. Some believe the world religions were put here by the, 'evil doer', leaving exception to their own beliefs. I am certain the evil doer is the man-made dogma that will stand in front of the whole truth about God, ie, why are all these religions on earth.
So, why are all these religions on earth?
Ok, why did God put all these religions on earth? Apparently the religions of the world conflict and are different from each other. Some believe the world religions were put here by the, 'evil doer', leaving exception to their own beliefs. I am certain the evil doer is the man-made dogma that will stand in front of the whole truth about God, ie, why are all these religions on earth.
So, why are all these religions on earth?
Even the knowlege about the names of prophets are a sign. Jesus for example, Jesus is not his real name. Everyone who studies the name of Jesus agrees, Jesus is not his real name. Maitreya is saying it is Esa, Jesus`s real name is Esa.
Same as the Bahais, whereas Baha'u'llah means, beauty of God, wherever bahais see, Jala'u'llah, glory of God, they say it means Baha'u'llah, that it is refering to Baha'u'llah. Of course I am saying this becuase Jala'u'llah refers to Maitreya and Baha'u'llah refers to Baha'u'llah.
Same as the Bahais, whereas Baha'u'llah means, beauty of God, wherever bahais see, Jala'u'llah, glory of God, they say it means Baha'u'llah, that it is refering to Baha'u'llah. Of course I am saying this becuase Jala'u'llah refers to Maitreya and Baha'u'llah refers to Baha'u'llah.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Esa or Isa, is Arabic for Jesus, which is Latin for Yeshua. It's Jalal'u'llah. And the reference has nothing to do with Maitreya, which is not Arabic, Latin or Hebrew.
Jalal and Baha are rough synonyms in Arabic. I've known several Baha`i's named jalal, non-Baha`i's too.
Regards,
Scott
Jalal and Baha are rough synonyms in Arabic. I've known several Baha`i's named jalal, non-Baha`i's too.
Regards,
Scott
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
nature of Christ and the
And the TaNakh says that God cannot be known--who do you believe the Old Testament or the words of Timothy, Paul and John. They are not referring to the Mysatery of God anyway, but reather knowing the mystery of Jesus. The nature of Christ and the nature of God are not one and the same--even to many Christians.
Accoprding to Moses the Shekinah cannot be seen and one survive the experience.
Regards,
Scott
First of all Drew let me commend you for searching out truth. It is that kind of hungering and thirsting that will lead an individual to the Lord (Mt.5:6).
Second I would like to point out that God is not the author of confusion (1Cor.14:33). So, to attribute all the contrary teachings in the world to God would not be either smart nor truth (1Cor.14:33) (1Tim.1;3) .
(1Tim.4:2) Teaches us that only the devil has many doctrines. We are to test (or try) the spirits to see if they are of God (1John 4:1-6).
There is one faith and it was delivered only once (Jude 3) (John 14:26 ; 16:13). The apostles were guided into (all truth) while they lived on the earth in the first centruy. That is not what I said, it is what the bible said (the word of God).
During the frist century they had (all things) pertaining to life and godliness (2Peter 1:3)
Third, By books if you mean all the books found within the bible, I commend you (1Peter 4:11) (1Cor.1:8-10) (Phil.3:16,17). If you mean books outside the bible,then we need to discuss things further, because the books outside the bible do not speak the same thing as the bible. And if they did speak the same things as what is found in the bible,it would be the bible.
WHY are we to only speak those words found in the bible? To be in accordance with (1Cor.4:6) (Deut.4:2) (Rev.22:18-19) (1Peter 4:11) (1Cor.1:8-10) (Phil.3:16).
Baerly
Hi, I believe that :
29.The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law (Deut.29:29).
(Eph.3:3,4) Teaches us we can know this mystery by reading the New Tesament Law. We also have (Luke 1:4) (1John 2:21) which tell us that same thing.
The mystery of God and of Jesus are the same. How do I know that? Because we read in (John 17:8-23) that Jesus gave the words given to him by God to the apostles (8). Jesus wanted the apostles to be one, just like Jesus and the Father (God) are one (21).
I am not talking about seeing God. Neither are these verses were talking about it.
As to the question, Who do I believe the O.T Law or the words of Jesus? I believe them both. But we (Gentiles) are not under the O.T. Law today. ONLY Jews were under the O.T Law according to (Ex.34:27). The Lord made that covenant with Moses and Israel (Jews). Gentiles never have been under the O.T. Law.
(Rom. 15:4) (1Cor.10:11) both teach us about the things that happened under the O.T. Law can be of use to us, in that it teaches us how God dealt with those living under the O.T. Law. It aslo teaches us how the people acted towards God and his law. We can learn from this greatly.
Baerly
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Ephesians is not a Gospel, the words are not Christ's. Neither are Corinthians nor any of the other Epistles the words of Jesus.
The purpose of our Creation is to know and worship God. But our knowledge will never b e complete, because the XCreator is beyond our ken.From:
the Writings of the Bab
"ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere ..." 1In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 2ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere created things were called into being, when there was no one else besides Him. He is the One Who hath been Ever-Abiding while no element of His creation did yet exist. Indeed the souls of them that are endued with understanding fail to comprehend the least manifestation of His attributes, and the minds of those who have acknowledged His unity are unable to perceive the most insignificant token of His omnipotence.
3Sanctified art Thou, O Lord my God. The tongues of men fall short in extolling Thy glorious handiwork, how much more then would they falter in lauding the majesty of Thy transcendent power; and since human understanding is sore perplexed to fathom the mystery of a single object of Thy creation, how can anyone ever attain the recognition of Thine Own Being?
4I have known Thee by Thy making known unto me that Thou art unknowable to anyone save Thyself. I have become apprised by the creation Thou hast fashioned out of sheer non-existence that the way to attain the comprehension of Thine Essence is barred to everyone. Thou art God, besides Whom there is none other God. No one except Thine Own Self can comprehend Thy nature. Thou art without peer or partner. From everlasting Thou hast been alone with no one else besides Thee and unto everlasting Thou wilt continue to be the same, while no created thing shall ever approach Thine exalted position.
5All men, O my God, confess their powerlessness to know Thee as Thou knowest Thine Own Being; the generative impulse Thou hast released is manifest throughout the entire creation, and all created things which Thou hast fashioned are but expressions of Thy wondrous signs. Magnified be Thy name; Thou art immeasurably exalted above the strivings of anyone among Thy creatures to attain Thy recognition as is befitting and worthy of Thee.
6Praise be unto Thee! The way in which Thou hast called into being Thy creation out of non-existence preventeth all created things from recognizing Thee, and the manner in which Thou hast fashioned the creatures, with the limitations imposed upon them, proclaimeth their utter nothingness before the revelations of Thine attributes.
7Exalted art Thou, O my God! All mankind are powerless to celebrate Thy glory and the minds of men fall short of yielding praise unto Thee. I bear witness in Thy presence, O my God, that Thou art made known by Thy wondrous tokens and art recognized through the revelations of Thy signs. The fact that Thou hast brought us forth into existence prompteth me to acknowledge before Thee that Thou art immeasurably exalted above our praise, and by virtue of the qualities wherewith Thou hast endowed our beings I testify unto Thee that Thou art transcendent beyond our comprehension.
8Grant that I may soar to the noblest heights in approaching Thee, and enable me to draw nigh unto Thee through the fragrance of Thy holiness. Thus may all impediments be dissolved by the light of ecstasy, and all remoteness from Thee be dissipated by my attainment unto the seats of reunion, and the subtle veils which have hindered me from entering Thy mansion of glory become so rarified that I may gain admittance into Thy presence, take up my abode near Thee, and voice the expressions of praise wherewith Thou hast described Thine Own Self unto me, bearing witness that Thou art God, that there is no God but Thee, the One, the Incomparable, the Ever-Abiding, that Thou dost not beget, neither art Thou begotten, that Thou hast no offspring, no partner, nor is there any protector against humiliation but Thee, and Thou art the Lord of all worlds. I bear witness also that all besides Thee are but Thy creatures, and are held within Thy grasp. No one is favoured with means or liveth in want except by Thy Will. Thou art the King of everlasting days and the supreme Ruler. Thy might is potent over all things and all created things exist by Thy Will. All mankind recognize their lowly servitude and confess their shortcomings and naught is there which doth not celebrate Thy praise.
9I beseech Thee, O my God, by the glory of Thy merciful Countenance and by the majesty of Thine ancient Name not to deprive me of the vitalizing fragrance of the evidences of Thy Days--such Days as Thou Thyself hast inaugurated and brought forth.
The purpose of our Creation is to know and worship God. But our knowledge will never b e complete, because the XCreator is beyond our ken.From:
the Writings of the Bab
"ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere ..." 1In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 2ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere created things were called into being, when there was no one else besides Him. He is the One Who hath been Ever-Abiding while no element of His creation did yet exist. Indeed the souls of them that are endued with understanding fail to comprehend the least manifestation of His attributes, and the minds of those who have acknowledged His unity are unable to perceive the most insignificant token of His omnipotence.
3Sanctified art Thou, O Lord my God. The tongues of men fall short in extolling Thy glorious handiwork, how much more then would they falter in lauding the majesty of Thy transcendent power; and since human understanding is sore perplexed to fathom the mystery of a single object of Thy creation, how can anyone ever attain the recognition of Thine Own Being?
4I have known Thee by Thy making known unto me that Thou art unknowable to anyone save Thyself. I have become apprised by the creation Thou hast fashioned out of sheer non-existence that the way to attain the comprehension of Thine Essence is barred to everyone. Thou art God, besides Whom there is none other God. No one except Thine Own Self can comprehend Thy nature. Thou art without peer or partner. From everlasting Thou hast been alone with no one else besides Thee and unto everlasting Thou wilt continue to be the same, while no created thing shall ever approach Thine exalted position.
5All men, O my God, confess their powerlessness to know Thee as Thou knowest Thine Own Being; the generative impulse Thou hast released is manifest throughout the entire creation, and all created things which Thou hast fashioned are but expressions of Thy wondrous signs. Magnified be Thy name; Thou art immeasurably exalted above the strivings of anyone among Thy creatures to attain Thy recognition as is befitting and worthy of Thee.
6Praise be unto Thee! The way in which Thou hast called into being Thy creation out of non-existence preventeth all created things from recognizing Thee, and the manner in which Thou hast fashioned the creatures, with the limitations imposed upon them, proclaimeth their utter nothingness before the revelations of Thine attributes.
7Exalted art Thou, O my God! All mankind are powerless to celebrate Thy glory and the minds of men fall short of yielding praise unto Thee. I bear witness in Thy presence, O my God, that Thou art made known by Thy wondrous tokens and art recognized through the revelations of Thy signs. The fact that Thou hast brought us forth into existence prompteth me to acknowledge before Thee that Thou art immeasurably exalted above our praise, and by virtue of the qualities wherewith Thou hast endowed our beings I testify unto Thee that Thou art transcendent beyond our comprehension.
8Grant that I may soar to the noblest heights in approaching Thee, and enable me to draw nigh unto Thee through the fragrance of Thy holiness. Thus may all impediments be dissolved by the light of ecstasy, and all remoteness from Thee be dissipated by my attainment unto the seats of reunion, and the subtle veils which have hindered me from entering Thy mansion of glory become so rarified that I may gain admittance into Thy presence, take up my abode near Thee, and voice the expressions of praise wherewith Thou hast described Thine Own Self unto me, bearing witness that Thou art God, that there is no God but Thee, the One, the Incomparable, the Ever-Abiding, that Thou dost not beget, neither art Thou begotten, that Thou hast no offspring, no partner, nor is there any protector against humiliation but Thee, and Thou art the Lord of all worlds. I bear witness also that all besides Thee are but Thy creatures, and are held within Thy grasp. No one is favoured with means or liveth in want except by Thy Will. Thou art the King of everlasting days and the supreme Ruler. Thy might is potent over all things and all created things exist by Thy Will. All mankind recognize their lowly servitude and confess their shortcomings and naught is there which doth not celebrate Thy praise.
9I beseech Thee, O my God, by the glory of Thy merciful Countenance and by the majesty of Thine ancient Name not to deprive me of the vitalizing fragrance of the evidences of Thy Days--such Days as Thou Thyself hast inaugurated and brought forth.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Ephesians is not a Gospel, the words are not Christ's. Neither are Corinthians nor any of the other Epistles the words of Jesus.
The purpose of our Creation is to know and worship God. But our knowledge will never b e complete, because the XCreator is beyond our ken.From:
the Writings of the Bab
"ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere ..." 1In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 2ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere created things were called into being, when there was no one else besides Him. He is the One Who hath been Ever-Abiding while no element of His creation did yet exist. Indeed the souls of them that are endued with understanding fail to comprehend the least manifestation of His attributes, and the minds of those who have acknowledged His unity are unable to perceive the most insignificant token of His omnipotence.
3Sanctified art Thou, O Lord my God. The tongues of men fall short in extolling Thy glorious handiwork, how much more then would they falter in lauding the majesty of Thy transcendent power; and since human understanding is sore perplexed to fathom the mystery of a single object of Thy creation, how can anyone ever attain the recognition of Thine Own Being?
4I have known Thee by Thy making known unto me that Thou art unknowable to anyone save Thyself. I have become apprised by the creation Thou hast fashioned out of sheer non-existence that the way to attain the comprehension of Thine Essence is barred to everyone. Thou art God, besides Whom there is none other God. No one except Thine Own Self can comprehend Thy nature. Thou art without peer or partner. From everlasting Thou hast been alone with no one else besides Thee and unto everlasting Thou wilt continue to be the same, while no created thing shall ever approach Thine exalted position.
5All men, O my God, confess their powerlessness to know Thee as Thou knowest Thine Own Being; the generative impulse Thou hast released is manifest throughout the entire creation, and all created things which Thou hast fashioned are but expressions of Thy wondrous signs. Magnified be Thy name; Thou art immeasurably exalted above the strivings of anyone among Thy creatures to attain Thy recognition as is befitting and worthy of Thee.
6Praise be unto Thee! The way in which Thou hast called into being Thy creation out of non-existence preventeth all created things from recognizing Thee, and the manner in which Thou hast fashioned the creatures, with the limitations imposed upon them, proclaimeth their utter nothingness before the revelations of Thine attributes.
7Exalted art Thou, O my God! All mankind are powerless to celebrate Thy glory and the minds of men fall short of yielding praise unto Thee. I bear witness in Thy presence, O my God, that Thou art made known by Thy wondrous tokens and art recognized through the revelations of Thy signs. The fact that Thou hast brought us forth into existence prompteth me to acknowledge before Thee that Thou art immeasurably exalted above our praise, and by virtue of the qualities wherewith Thou hast endowed our beings I testify unto Thee that Thou art transcendent beyond our comprehension.
8Grant that I may soar to the noblest heights in approaching Thee, and enable me to draw nigh unto Thee through the fragrance of Thy holiness. Thus may all impediments be dissolved by the light of ecstasy, and all remoteness from Thee be dissipated by my attainment unto the seats of reunion, and the subtle veils which have hindered me from entering Thy mansion of glory become so rarified that I may gain admittance into Thy presence, take up my abode near Thee, and voice the expressions of praise wherewith Thou hast described Thine Own Self unto me, bearing witness that Thou art God, that there is no God but Thee, the One, the Incomparable, the Ever-Abiding, that Thou dost not beget, neither art Thou begotten, that Thou hast no offspring, no partner, nor is there any protector against humiliation but Thee, and Thou art the Lord of all worlds. I bear witness also that all besides Thee are but Thy creatures, and are held within Thy grasp. No one is favoured with means or liveth in want except by Thy Will. Thou art the King of everlasting days and the supreme Ruler. Thy might is potent over all things and all created things exist by Thy Will. All mankind recognize their lowly servitude and confess their shortcomings and naught is there which doth not celebrate Thy praise.
9I beseech Thee, O my God, by the glory of Thy merciful Countenance and by the majesty of Thine ancient Name not to deprive me of the vitalizing fragrance of the evidences of Thy Days--such Days as Thou Thyself hast inaugurated and brought forth.
The purpose of our Creation is to know and worship God. But our knowledge will never b e complete, because the XCreator is beyond our ken.From:
the Writings of the Bab
"ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere ..." 1In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 2ALL praise be unto God Who was Ever-Existent ere created things were called into being, when there was no one else besides Him. He is the One Who hath been Ever-Abiding while no element of His creation did yet exist. Indeed the souls of them that are endued with understanding fail to comprehend the least manifestation of His attributes, and the minds of those who have acknowledged His unity are unable to perceive the most insignificant token of His omnipotence.
3Sanctified art Thou, O Lord my God. The tongues of men fall short in extolling Thy glorious handiwork, how much more then would they falter in lauding the majesty of Thy transcendent power; and since human understanding is sore perplexed to fathom the mystery of a single object of Thy creation, how can anyone ever attain the recognition of Thine Own Being?
4I have known Thee by Thy making known unto me that Thou art unknowable to anyone save Thyself. I have become apprised by the creation Thou hast fashioned out of sheer non-existence that the way to attain the comprehension of Thine Essence is barred to everyone. Thou art God, besides Whom there is none other God. No one except Thine Own Self can comprehend Thy nature. Thou art without peer or partner. From everlasting Thou hast been alone with no one else besides Thee and unto everlasting Thou wilt continue to be the same, while no created thing shall ever approach Thine exalted position.
5All men, O my God, confess their powerlessness to know Thee as Thou knowest Thine Own Being; the generative impulse Thou hast released is manifest throughout the entire creation, and all created things which Thou hast fashioned are but expressions of Thy wondrous signs. Magnified be Thy name; Thou art immeasurably exalted above the strivings of anyone among Thy creatures to attain Thy recognition as is befitting and worthy of Thee.
6Praise be unto Thee! The way in which Thou hast called into being Thy creation out of non-existence preventeth all created things from recognizing Thee, and the manner in which Thou hast fashioned the creatures, with the limitations imposed upon them, proclaimeth their utter nothingness before the revelations of Thine attributes.
7Exalted art Thou, O my God! All mankind are powerless to celebrate Thy glory and the minds of men fall short of yielding praise unto Thee. I bear witness in Thy presence, O my God, that Thou art made known by Thy wondrous tokens and art recognized through the revelations of Thy signs. The fact that Thou hast brought us forth into existence prompteth me to acknowledge before Thee that Thou art immeasurably exalted above our praise, and by virtue of the qualities wherewith Thou hast endowed our beings I testify unto Thee that Thou art transcendent beyond our comprehension.
8Grant that I may soar to the noblest heights in approaching Thee, and enable me to draw nigh unto Thee through the fragrance of Thy holiness. Thus may all impediments be dissolved by the light of ecstasy, and all remoteness from Thee be dissipated by my attainment unto the seats of reunion, and the subtle veils which have hindered me from entering Thy mansion of glory become so rarified that I may gain admittance into Thy presence, take up my abode near Thee, and voice the expressions of praise wherewith Thou hast described Thine Own Self unto me, bearing witness that Thou art God, that there is no God but Thee, the One, the Incomparable, the Ever-Abiding, that Thou dost not beget, neither art Thou begotten, that Thou hast no offspring, no partner, nor is there any protector against humiliation but Thee, and Thou art the Lord of all worlds. I bear witness also that all besides Thee are but Thy creatures, and are held within Thy grasp. No one is favoured with means or liveth in want except by Thy Will. Thou art the King of everlasting days and the supreme Ruler. Thy might is potent over all things and all created things exist by Thy Will. All mankind recognize their lowly servitude and confess their shortcomings and naught is there which doth not celebrate Thy praise.
9I beseech Thee, O my God, by the glory of Thy merciful Countenance and by the majesty of Thine ancient Name not to deprive me of the vitalizing fragrance of the evidences of Thy Days--such Days as Thou Thyself hast inaugurated and brought forth.
Drew, Here is a very good lesson. I hope you will take the time to check it out. I do not know alot about the website I found the lesson on,but what I have read so far is right on track when it comes to, what does the bible say. I just found the website today. I can only speak for this lesson for now.
http://www.thywordistruth.com/church/chur04cn.htm
Baerly
http://www.thywordistruth.com/church/chur04cn.htm
Baerly
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
"1. Please notice Popeye, that the apostle Paul wrote ,The things I write to you are the commandments of the Lord (1Cor.14:37). This sounds like to me that Paul is telling us what he (Paul) wrote was in fact the very words and commandments of Jesus.
Notice please that the apostle Paul wrote the book of Ephesians. So I would say according to the verses above it also was the very words of Jesus. How can anyone get around this without denying the words of the bible? And if one denies the words of the bible,they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life (Acts 13:46).
Please note that the apostles listened to all that Jesus said to them in (John 14,15,16) while He gave them THE message He wanted to deliver (Jude 3). In (John 14:26 ; 16:13) Jesus told them (the apostles) the Holy Spirit (comforter) was going to come to them when He (Jesus) left the earth and bring back to their rememberance all things that Jesus had said to them. They then would record those thoughts in what we know now as the bible (2Peter 1:19-21)."
Please notice that Paul NEVER HEARD JESUS speak. Paul was in Greece when Jesus lived and taught, and most of the Apostles did not consider Paul to be among their numkber. In fact it was a disagreement with James that led to Paul's death at the hands of the Romans.
So, Paul has absolutely no authority whatsoever to tell us what Jesus said or did not say.
If you choose to give him that authority, that's your choice and yours alone.
Regards,
Scott
Notice please that the apostle Paul wrote the book of Ephesians. So I would say according to the verses above it also was the very words of Jesus. How can anyone get around this without denying the words of the bible? And if one denies the words of the bible,they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life (Acts 13:46).
Please note that the apostles listened to all that Jesus said to them in (John 14,15,16) while He gave them THE message He wanted to deliver (Jude 3). In (John 14:26 ; 16:13) Jesus told them (the apostles) the Holy Spirit (comforter) was going to come to them when He (Jesus) left the earth and bring back to their rememberance all things that Jesus had said to them. They then would record those thoughts in what we know now as the bible (2Peter 1:19-21)."
Please notice that Paul NEVER HEARD JESUS speak. Paul was in Greece when Jesus lived and taught, and most of the Apostles did not consider Paul to be among their numkber. In fact it was a disagreement with James that led to Paul's death at the hands of the Romans.
So, Paul has absolutely no authority whatsoever to tell us what Jesus said or did not say.
If you choose to give him that authority, that's your choice and yours alone.
Regards,
Scott
lunamoth
Will to love
Why then does Abdu'l Baha acknowledge Paul's authority to 'abrogate' Mosaic Law?
Abdu'l Baha said:
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Paul and Peter did indeed speak so, Paul was a good man, he just did not have the accuracy of knowledge. Remember, Baha`u'llah and Abdu'l Baha speak of the supremacy of Peter.
When Paul speaks it is good guidance, but it is not authoritative interpretation.
Regards,
Scott
When Paul speaks it is good guidance, but it is not authoritative interpretation.
Regards,
Scott
lunamoth
Will to love
But that quote in my post says that Paul abrogated a Mosaic Law.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
The source of the abrogations was not Paul or Peter, but Christ Himself. Abdu'l Baha has more to say on this:
"Answer.--The change in conditions, alterations and transformations are necessities of the essence of beings, and essential necessities cannot be separated from the reality of things. So it is absolutely impossible to separate heat from fire, humidity from water, or light from the sun, for they are essential necessities. As the change and alteration of conditions are necessities for beings, so laws also are changed and altered in accordance with the changes and alterations of the times. For example, in the time of Moses, His Law was conformed and adapted to the conditions of the time; but in the days of Christ these conditions had changed and altered to such an extent that the Mosaic Law was no longer suited and adapted to the needs of mankind; and it was, therefore, abrogated. Thus it was that Christ broke the Sabbath and forbade divorce. After Christ four disciples, among whom were Peter and Paul, permitted the use of animal food forbidden by the Bible, except the eating of those animals which had been strangled, or which were sacrificed to idols, and of blood. [1] They also forbade fornication. They maintained these four commandments. Afterward, Paul permitted even the eating of strangled animals, those sacrificed to idols, and blood, and only maintained the prohibition of fornication. So in chapter 14, verse 14 of his Epistle to the Romans, Paul writes: "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."
3Also in the Epistle of Paul to Titus, chapter 1, verse 15: "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."
4Now this change, these alterations and this abrogation are due to the impossibility of comparing the time of Christ with that of Moses. The conditions and requirements in the later period were entirely changed and altered. The former laws were, therefore, abrogated. "
Regards,
Scott
"Answer.--The change in conditions, alterations and transformations are necessities of the essence of beings, and essential necessities cannot be separated from the reality of things. So it is absolutely impossible to separate heat from fire, humidity from water, or light from the sun, for they are essential necessities. As the change and alteration of conditions are necessities for beings, so laws also are changed and altered in accordance with the changes and alterations of the times. For example, in the time of Moses, His Law was conformed and adapted to the conditions of the time; but in the days of Christ these conditions had changed and altered to such an extent that the Mosaic Law was no longer suited and adapted to the needs of mankind; and it was, therefore, abrogated. Thus it was that Christ broke the Sabbath and forbade divorce. After Christ four disciples, among whom were Peter and Paul, permitted the use of animal food forbidden by the Bible, except the eating of those animals which had been strangled, or which were sacrificed to idols, and of blood. [1] They also forbade fornication. They maintained these four commandments. Afterward, Paul permitted even the eating of strangled animals, those sacrificed to idols, and blood, and only maintained the prohibition of fornication. So in chapter 14, verse 14 of his Epistle to the Romans, Paul writes: "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."
3Also in the Epistle of Paul to Titus, chapter 1, verse 15: "Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."
4Now this change, these alterations and this abrogation are due to the impossibility of comparing the time of Christ with that of Moses. The conditions and requirements in the later period were entirely changed and altered. The former laws were, therefore, abrogated. "
Regards,
Scott
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't post here either if I weren't having to make note of misrepresentations about the Baha`i Faith.
DIR is for questions and answers unless and until another religion gets misrepresented.
I was enjoying the discussion, too, Luna. But this probably is not the place for it.
Regards,
Scott
Oh good Scott, I thought you were here for that reason. Dispute the lies! Of course you seem to always think this is a representation of the Bahai Faith, no... this is a different religion, and as we have all observed when it comes to a prophet after Bahaullah... there is a problem talking about it to the Bahais, becuase they say that there will be no prophets for 1000 years; however here he is : Maitreya, and Maitreya has explained all the questions that the Bahais have asked. Actually Maitreya fits in quite well for a new prophet among the Bahais, becuase you can look how the Bahais explain the Mystical Paths of the far east. Bahai have cast these tecniques off as figment of the mystic imagination, and of course that is far from the truth, it is actually not the truth! Scott will now tell you that Bahaullah is the Buddah Maitreya.
Actually if you study into what is practiced in the eastern religions you will understand what I am talking about when I say, 'you can be one with God', God- Atman and atman, God, and god. mangod, nothing wrong with that--- it is what we are to do, become divine and unite with God and become a Son of God. I would not think I am regressing back to an old religion and the Bab cancled this teaching, no these teachings, the far east and the mystical teachings of all religions are part of Gods plan, part of the whole truth, if you will.
What I mean by a different religion is that the teachings are different than Bab`s teachings,(which is universalism, whereas Bahaullah made the teachings of Bab less violent, as Bab taught in a violent way, as was prophecied, "I see thy works are not perfect before God", revelation), Maitreya, God has revealed his teachings, which is the Greatest Sign and the book THOTH. So the teachings of Maitreya are not found in Bahai writings, the Bahai writings are the Fifth Seal of the Greatest Sign, that is , we,(those who believe Maitreya), are not doing the pratices of the Bahai religion, ie, obligatory prayer, feasts, etc, no... we are mantra meditating, praying, and reading from THOTH, (THOTH is not simular to Bahai writings).
Ok, if you want a Bahai sect, then search Orthodox Bahais. The Orthodox Bahais represent the Bahai Faith, thier teachings are the teachings of Bahaullah; the Bahai sacred writings. The Orthodox Bahais represent the Baha, or the people of Baha, and of course so do the mainstream and other Bahai groups.
It is much better, in my opinion, to use the methods of the mystics, such are the methods of Maitreya`s teachings, to awaken the spirit, however that is only the first step. All this talk of, 'the eastern mystical paths', is merely the first step of the teachings of Maitreya, the Eternal Divine Path.
Scott, if you would please, read the website under, Bahai prophecies. Its not like it has not been explained, it has been explained. The site for Bahais to go to is www.maitreya.org
After all look how fast the Bahai faith has spread, it is spread everywhere, by the time the Ananda Marga movement appeared,(which actully is the next religion after Bahai, and not Maitreya, then came Maitreya, after a new Hindu religion was born).
So this is the time of Mustagath after all.
Actually if you study into what is practiced in the eastern religions you will understand what I am talking about when I say, 'you can be one with God', God- Atman and atman, God, and god. mangod, nothing wrong with that--- it is what we are to do, become divine and unite with God and become a Son of God. I would not think I am regressing back to an old religion and the Bab cancled this teaching, no these teachings, the far east and the mystical teachings of all religions are part of Gods plan, part of the whole truth, if you will.
What I mean by a different religion is that the teachings are different than Bab`s teachings,(which is universalism, whereas Bahaullah made the teachings of Bab less violent, as Bab taught in a violent way, as was prophecied, "I see thy works are not perfect before God", revelation), Maitreya, God has revealed his teachings, which is the Greatest Sign and the book THOTH. So the teachings of Maitreya are not found in Bahai writings, the Bahai writings are the Fifth Seal of the Greatest Sign, that is , we,(those who believe Maitreya), are not doing the pratices of the Bahai religion, ie, obligatory prayer, feasts, etc, no... we are mantra meditating, praying, and reading from THOTH, (THOTH is not simular to Bahai writings).
Ok, if you want a Bahai sect, then search Orthodox Bahais. The Orthodox Bahais represent the Bahai Faith, thier teachings are the teachings of Bahaullah; the Bahai sacred writings. The Orthodox Bahais represent the Baha, or the people of Baha, and of course so do the mainstream and other Bahai groups.
It is much better, in my opinion, to use the methods of the mystics, such are the methods of Maitreya`s teachings, to awaken the spirit, however that is only the first step. All this talk of, 'the eastern mystical paths', is merely the first step of the teachings of Maitreya, the Eternal Divine Path.
Scott, if you would please, read the website under, Bahai prophecies. Its not like it has not been explained, it has been explained. The site for Bahais to go to is www.maitreya.org
After all look how fast the Bahai faith has spread, it is spread everywhere, by the time the Ananda Marga movement appeared,(which actully is the next religion after Bahai, and not Maitreya, then came Maitreya, after a new Hindu religion was born).
So this is the time of Mustagath after all.