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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by mikkel_the_dane, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. mikkel_the_dane

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    What is naturalism?
    That is my question.
     
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  3. mikkel_the_dane

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    Okay, so what is it to you?
     
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    Its like evolutionistm, a term used only by those who fsvour supernaturalism.

    They can thus have it mean what ever suits them
     
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    It is not to be confused with Naturism :D
     
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    Or a sensible topic
     
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    That's what I thought the question was?
     
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    Ontological naturalism is the thesis that the physical world is causally closed: any cause of a physical event is also physical.

    In a sense, this is more a definition of the term 'physical' than anything else.
     
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  10. mikkel_the_dane

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    Thanks. So it is philosophy?
     
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    In a sense, yes. The term 'cause' is a very problematic one. But, after that, the causal closure becomes the *definition* of the word 'physical'.
     
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    Thanks.

    Well, as for causation it is in a sense cognitive. So IMHO you can't truly turn it into a non-cognitive process. You can assume it and learn what happens next. :D
     
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    Not sure why causation is cognitive. Do you mean descriptive?
     
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    No, it involves a frame of understanding.
    If you don't do science as naturalism, but just what works, then causation as a way of understanding works.
     
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    First: do you accept 'natural' and 'supernatural' as meaningful categories?
     
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    Yes, both.
     
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    I, for one, have never quite understood what is supposed to be the distinction.

    If I see a phenomenon, how do I determine whether it is 'natural' or 'supernatural'?
     
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    Well, I use this one for supernatural: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe.
     
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    And how do you determine if something is 'beyond the visible observable universe'?

    Is it simply a matter of interaction with light (visible)?
     
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    Stick with the bare facts.
     
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