prometheus11
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You could explain. Or you could show how the points of others aren't logical with maybe a few sentences instead of one or two cryptic words every other day.
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Read it again. It clearly says "don't believe" not "believe".
LOL! That's very true.
The gnostic atheist believes and lack belief in God and gods at the same time.
So what does Gnostic mean now? Can you explain what the word gnostic means, please.I think you have a major syntax problem there.
So what does Gnostic mean now? Can you explain what the word gnostic means, please.
Both are equally correct. On the bottom one he probably just didn't bother to write in "doesn't believe in the existence of God or Gods" since that is a given since they are talking about "gnostic atheists". On the top one it was written in probably just to emphasize that we are talking about "gnostic atheists".On the bottom one under gnostic atheist, it says (correctly), "100% certain there is no God or Gods".
Nothing wrong with a person saying "I don't believe gods exist, I'll even go so far as to say I know they don't exist."If you possess or claim to have knowledge (certainty), then belief is irrelevant.
So what does Gnostic mean now? Can you explain what the word gnostic means, please.
As it is being used more here, it means possessing knowledge of (something). And knowledge imparts certainty since knowledge is fact(s).
But that's not what I was referring to. You said, "The gnostic atheist believes and lack(s) belief in God and gods at the same time." I believe the missing "s" clarifies your meaning. If so, then you're in error. To believe in God and lack belief (not believe) in God at the same time is not a cogent thought and is contradictory. I think some philosophy professor at Harvard or somewhere came up with this as an explanation to some skulls-full-of-mush for how atheists have their cake and eat it too--for why they don't have a burden of proof for claiming God doesn't exist, when what they're really saying is that God doesn't exist because the universe came to be spontaneously. For that they have a burden of proof, OR, they have to admit God is possible, which is what we're seeing among several former atheists.
Deism, the other reasonable philosophy.
How many gods don't you believe exist? List some of them and please provide proof showing they don't exist.To believe in God and lack belief (not believe) in God at the same time is not a cogent thought and is contradictory. I think some philosophy professor at Harvard or somewhere came up with this as an explanation to some skulls-full-of-mush for how atheists have their cake and eat it too--for why they don't have a burden of proof for claiming God doesn't exist,
Sure.As it is being used more here, it means possessing knowledge of (something). And knowledge imparts certainty since knowledge is fact(s).
Ah. I typed it quickly on my phone. Didn't check it for grammar.But that's not what I was referring to. You said, "The gnostic atheist believes and lack(s) belief in God and gods at the same time." I believe the missing "s" clarifies your meaning.
When I made the mistake of pointing out that "gnostic" was referring to "knowledge" only in its root words in another thread, I was sharply corrected that. Let me find the posts for you and see if you agree with what was said.If so, then you're in error. To believe in God and lack belief (not believe) in God at the same time is not a cogent thought and is contradictory. I think some philosophy professor at Harvard or somewhere came up with this as an explanation to some skulls-full-of-mush for how atheists have their cake and eat it too--for why they don't have a burden of proof for claiming God doesn't exist, when what they're really saying is that God doesn't exist because the universe came to be spontaneously. For that they have a burden of proof, OR, they have to admit God is possible, which is what we're seeing among several former atheists.
I prefer pantheism.Deism, the other reasonable philosophy.
So what about the picture with the squares earlier where there was a "gnostic atheist"? That's an atheist with spiritual knowledge? But it has nothing do with "Gnostic" as in the old religious Gnosticism?Gnostic, the term, refers to spiritual knowledge.
Theism, the term, refers to belief.
I am agnostic (I don't have certain knowledge) as to whether my car will crank the next time I expect it to.
I am theistic (I believe) that it will start when I make the attempt.
I don't know for certain, yet I still believe.
I am gnostic that my cat is not a dog. I am atheist that my cat is a dog.
I know my car isn't a dog. I believe my cat is not a dog.
In other words, GNOSTIC ATHEIST has nothing to do with "Spiritual Knowledge" here, or?A gnostic.
So what about the picture with the squares earlier where there was a "gnostic atheist"? That's an atheist with spiritual knowledge? But it has nothing do with "Gnostic" as in the old religious Gnosticism?
In other words, GNOSTIC ATHEIST has nothing to do with "Spiritual Knowledge" here, or?
Nothing wrong with a person saying "I don't believe gods exist, I'll even go so far as to say I know they don't exist."
Sure, you can say anything you want; however, since theism, does not indicate a position of what, how, etc., one considers to 'know' something, it's pretty much irrelevant without further context. People have different methodology for determining what they ''know'' etc, as well, that is why it is recognized, that for communication purposes, everyone is expressing a belief. Then if they want, they can argue evidence for said belief /or not/, etc. This is also why 'belief', in the religious context, is not a counterpoint or differential to 'know'.
Correct. That's why both terms are needed. One referring to belief (or lack of belief). One referring to a claim of knowledge (or lack of knowledge).
I'm an agnostic atheist, for example. I neither claim to have spiritual knowledge nor do I believe in God.
Nonsense.ArtieE made the mistake of posting two contradictory posters.
Nonsense.
"An atheist gnostic is someone who does not believe in gods, and who thinks that we can know that gods do not exist. A fairly unusual position, they might think they have found proof of the non-existence of gods, or might have been persuaded by life experiences."
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/camels...-the-atheist-gnostic-and-the-theist-agnostic/
"Gnostic Atheism: disbelief in gods while being certain that none (can or do) exist."
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/whatisatheism.htm