ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
You're declaring for them what they really believe, instead of what they say themselves.
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What does ''agnostic atheist'' mean?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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You're declaring for them what they really believe, instead of what they say themselves.
"Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." Some dictionaries even go so far as to define Atheism as "wickedness," "sinfulness," and other derogatory adjectives. Clearly, theistic influence taints dictionaries. People cannot trust these dictionaries to define atheism." ... "The only common thread that ties all atheists together is a lack of belief in gods and supernatural beings."
American Atheists http://atheists.org/page.aspx?pid=329
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
A gnostic.
I agree with the bottom chart where gnostics (which is fine to use that word instead of "hard") are those who claim 100% certainty, with no confusing equivalence of belief and certainty that's in the top chart.
LOL Gnostics KNOW "hard atheists" BELIEVE they're not interchangeable. Read the charts again and try to understand.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Wil doesn't get the distinction between "in" and "about."
The strong atheists believes something ABOUT the proposed character of God. Just because the strong atheist believes something about God doesn't mean that he believes IN God.
Strong atheists believe gods don't exist. The characters of different gods are irrelevant.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
So, do you apply this "logic" to all words that have more than one definition?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You would likewise have to prove that the /theistic position, is not the best option, then; according to your own standards of ''evidence''.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
The way you are defining the word, it literally has two definitions. Two very different definitions. This means, that whenever the word ''atheism'', would be used as a position, it would have to have the signifier of which definition is being referred to.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Be strong atheist believes that God does not exist. Because of this belief ABOUT God, he has no belief IN God.
No it doesn't.
The definition of "atheism" is "absence of belief in the existence of gods". The definition of "strong atheism" is "belief that gods don't exist". You will notice that the first definition defines one word: atheism. The second definition defines TWO words: "strong atheism".
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Look at the top chart you yourself posted, it has gnostic atheists believing and knowing--the bottom one doesn't.
Either way:
Read it again. It clearly says "don't believe" not "believe".
No, gnostics believe in god as a Demiurge.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
LOL! That's very true.
The gnostic atheist believes and lack belief in God and gods at the same time.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Nope.
The gnostic believes he is in possession of certain truth....that there is no God.
He believes something ABOUT the idea of God. As a result, he also laid belief IN God.
It's actually pretty simple.
Existence isn't a predicate.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Irrelevant.
Not to me.