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Was Earth Flat?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by questfortruth, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. mangalavara

    mangalavara Truth Alone Triumphs
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    This is interesting. How did the planet change from flat to spherical?
     
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    God used a bicycle pump to make a flat earth become spherical.....Just saying.
     
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    That's your base. Now see if you can influence the rest.
     
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    Where does it make this claim?
    I'll answer it for you: Nowhere.
    I doubt your claims, as you've shared your writing here and it isn't academic writing. That is, unless you went to one of those non-accredited Christian schools that don't even have a proper campus.
    That's why Wiki says that stuff is pseudoscience. There are no "ancestor memories," rain was here before we were, and the Earth was never flat. The laws of nature won't allow for it, and it's just not something gravity does. If it did we'd see flat planets. But as we learn more about black holes, detecting radio bursts on a more frequent basis, touch the sun, amd observe a neutron star colliding with a super massive black hole. We can gaze further out than ever before and as we discover new planets they aren't being found flat.
     
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    Yet?
     
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    No, the Earth was never flat, not even for a moment. People thought it were, because they didn't know better. :)

    I doubt wikipedia say that flat earthers in general are stupid, or that it even use that word. But I would argue that modern day flat earth believers borderline that very notion, given the amount of evidence there is for a spherical earth, the complete lack of reason why anyone would want to hide why the earth would be flat etc.

    There is a huge difference, between referring to people of ancient times with very limited knowledge about Earth and calling them stupid for not knowing better compared to a modern day person with almost unlimited access to knowledge on the internet, educational institutes, libraries and 100s of years of people having studied this and presented proofs for why the earth is indeed not flat. I don't think these people should be all that offended, if anyone should accidentally refer to them as being stupid. :)
     
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    I don't know about simple-minded folk, but for the rest of us it suggests that, assuming you are not inventing that CV, something has subsequently gone wrong with your mind. That can happen, especially when we get old, and has happened even to some very eminent scientists.
     
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    Omnipotence.
     
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    Please, don't complain. Because I became funnier. I am Fun.

     
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    OK...thats funny :D
     
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    Cosmic Fix-a-Flat!:eek:
    Must have been what caused the Minoan Eruption.:p
     
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    No wonder God used a couple of million years to pump up earth to size o_O tiny hand held pump....BIG earth...
     
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    So that's where Aristotle's big enough lever thing about moving the Earth comes from.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Says it's unavailable in my country.
     
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    The flat earth is unavailable in your country :eek: how rude...
     
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    So if all the world but America was flat, would it appear as a boil upon the face of the earth?
     
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    You would have to ask God to use the bicycle pump to pump the earth up again....
     
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    My qualifications: Perfect idiot (while many around me are imperfect). I'm not referring to you, of course.

    The study of dimensions is quite intriguing. Painters can make a two dimensional canvas look three dimensional. Picasso made paintings with three eyes, that people just don't understand....he was capturing the dimension of time as the model moved their head their eyes moved.

    M-theory is a modification of string-theory in which Dr. Witten added dimensions to account for different ideas about the nature of strings (such as....are they loops, or are they segments of lines, etc.). String theory proposes that the world around us has many dimensions, but many of them we cannot see. Some appear to be curled up dimensions within the space that we do detect.

    In mathematics, we can use "mapping" to change the current "make believe" grid of space into a different space. The purpose of mapping is to make the math easier. So we could map every point of our space to every point of a warped space, just to make the math easier, but, such mappings must preserve certain qualities (depending on what you are using the mappings for). So, we can map every point of our space to a point of warped space. One sometimes has to pay attention to scale and conformal aspects of mapping. That is, maybe the angles in one mapping differ from angles in another mapping?

    When we make an inverse mapping of our space, our point of zero goes to infinity, and our infinity maps to zero. This is rather interesting since the point of zero is merely a point. Whereas, infinity exists in all directions around us. So mapping every point of infinity to zero seems weird. It is especially weird if you start thinking of all points of infinity as the same point. However, when dealing with some calculations of infinity, we must consider that each infinite point is unique...not the same as other points of infinity.

    For example, with a Cauchy Riemann integral, rotation around a singular point (a point at which the function becomes infinite) is significant. So, there is a difference between the point of infinity in one direction or in another.

    When there is a line of infinities in the complex plane (called a branch cut), one must go to infinity (lets say on the top of the branch cut) loop around the end of the branch cut, and come back (lets say on the bottom of the branch cut). The top and bottom of the branch cut cancel out, because, in the limit, the two lines are in the same place. So, the only residue is picked up at the point of infinity.

    A shorter way of saying this is multiply the residue at that point of infinity by 2 pi i (where i is the square root of negative one).

    Maybe some of our dimensions have associated imaginary dimensions associated with them?

    Time is often treated as another dimension (like a dimension of space). Except, that time only marches forward, and we can't go backwards in time (as far as we know).

    It would be interesting to ponder if the expanding universe reaches such incredible speeds (far exceeding the speed of light) that "might" cause time to run backwards. If so, that might mean that the distant future of the universe might be the same point as the distant past. Or, in layman's terms, the alpha might be the omega (that is, the beginning might be the end). This kind of speculation might lead to the idea that the universe created itself. That is, the big bang is the universe crashing backwards into itself in time.

    When it comes to sensing a flat earth, many would argue that spacecraft launched from earth have observed the round disk of earth. Many would also argue that we have orbited the moon, and found it to be round (roundish). How do we know that our perceptions of dimensions are correct?
     
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