Wahabism

[Assad91]

"Wahhabism" is not the name they call themselves. Its an insult others gave them. It comes from the Muhammad ibn Abdwahhab. Wahhab is one of the names of Allah. Wh do you want to use that as an insult?

 

[F0uad]

Salafi is the new way of describing wahabism.

Wahabism is the Saudi ideology that is spreading all over and is the intolerant one that talks of everyone being infidels apart from them.

The reason we are hearing the word Salafi is because the Westerners and especially Saudi Arabian king does not want the real word to be used. Wahabism which is the jihadist extremism one. If we were to use the correct term Wahabism it would attract attention to saudi Arabia and the Wests connection to extremism.
They prefer to label it Salafism and therefore no one will question the link to Wahabism and then the further link then to Saudi Arabia and the support of the West for such an ideology.

It's a deceitful way to use the word Salafist when we really want to be using the word Wahabi to describe extremists.

You will not see any Western media use the real word Wahabism but here in the region the Arabs know the difference and use the correct term for extremists. Wahabis like Bin Laden. Saudi indoctrinated. 80% of the US mosques are now funded by Saudi Wahabi clerics!
Wahabsim is the extremist ideology funded by Saudi in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

One advice open a history book and stop believing in western propaganda your whole theory is flawed.
Its pretty insulting to call Salfi's and Whabi's extremist most of the so called "Terrorist" who are misinformed Sunnis label themselves as Sunnis btw.

If you want i can share information regarding the subject without a biased view on it.

 

[Pink Top Hat]

Abdel Wahab and his desert Ikhwan used to say the devil was talking on the radio and in the telephone lines in Arabia. The Wahabi's done a deal with Al Saud. The Wahabis are currently tearing down the prophets families tombs and turning them into hotels and car parks and public toilets. They believe that Muslims should not go to the Medina mosque of the Prophet and call them idolators. They are radical extremists. Look up their history and their links to Al Saud.
They are the ones beating women with sticks if they wear nail polish in a mall and the ones calling for babies to be veiled to stop them being violated by their fathers.
They are spreading like a cancer and destroying the image of real Islam.

You just have to look at Saudi Arabia where they rule to see that they are clearly mad.

Read up about the desert Ikhwan tribe of Abdel Wahab and his murderous followers and the intolerance they preach.

There are plenty books on the subject.

No excuses to ignore historical facts.

 

[Pink Top Hat]

One advice open a history book and stop believing in western propaganda your whole theory is flawed.
Its pretty insulting to call Salfi's and Whabi's extremist most of the so called "Terrorist" who are misinformed Sunnis label themselves as Sunnis btw.

If you want i can share information regarding the subject without a biased view on it.

by the way read my post again

I did not call all salafists extremists.

I explained the current usage of the word in Western media and why they do not use Wahabism instead.

Some information on the fanatical extremist Wahabis of Arabia the sect which Al Saud royals follow

The descendants of Abdul Wahhab, the Al al Sheikh, are still chief of the ulama, the religious advisers to the Saudis. The unitarians see no separation whatever between church and state and so the King of the Saudis is also their Imam (spiritual leader).
Within sixty years the puritans controlled most of what is Saudi Arabia today including the sacred cities of Mecca and Medina. The zealots imposed their will on their citizens and the pilgrims and destroyed what was not to their liking such as hookahs, musical instruments and human portraits.
In 1818 the Ottoman Caliph retaliated. Mecca was seized; Diriyah the Saudi capital was laid waste, the inhabitants of Diriyah and Riyadh were left to starve and the Saudi ruler was beheaded.
In 1871 the Turks again smashed the renascent Saudis and it was not until 1902 that Abdul Aziz Bin Saud, known in the west as Ibn Saud, conquered Riyadh with forty men.
In 1912 a revival of Wahhabism led to the formation of a religious settlement at the village of Artawiyah, 300 miles north of Riyadh under the auspices of the Ikhwan, the Brotherhood. Artawiyah soon grew to a town of ten thousand population, of former bedouins who now devoted their time to farming and to the Qur'an. They enforced attendance at the mosque by whipping those who did not go; they whipped shopkeepers who did not close during prayers. Even today automatic teller machines are switched off during prayers. They forbade moustaches longer than the Prophet's, and banned music and smoking. They killed Christians, and even Muslims who did not recite the Qur'an nicely.
Ibn Saud took control of the Brotherhood and in 1916 ordered all his Bedouin tribes to emulate Artawiyah. They were given instructions in Wahhabism with Ibn Saud as their king and Imam. The Ikhwan became a fanatical fighting machine and on the 25th May 1919 had a fearsome triumph over the much superior Hashemite force at Turaba, sixty miles from Mecca. Even Ibn Saud feared for the lives of the Meccans and had to disband the Ikhwan.
In 1924, a band of three thousand Ikhwan looted and burnt the town of Taif, killing three hundred townsfolk. Not having seen mirrors before, they smashed all that they could find.
After the massacre at Taif, Ibn Saud forbade further looting and murder and by 1926, Jeddah, Mecca, Medina and indeed most of Arabia fell, comparatively bloodlessly, into Saudi hands.
Ibn Saud no longer needed the Ikhwan. The crunch came when the Brotherhood attacked the Egyptian hajji of 1926. Accompanying them was a noisy brass band which offended the puritanical sensitivities of the Ikhwan. Ibn Saud's response was to clear them out of the Holy Places back to their desert settlements of which there were about one hundred by now.
The Ikhwan were not pleased with what Ibn Saud allowed in the state. Instead of banning tobacco he increased taxes on it. In January 1927 Ibn Saud had to confer with three thousand odd Ikhwan with the ulama as adjudicators. The zealots raised the fact that Prince Feisal was visiting infidel England, Shiism still flourished in the Kingdom, Christian and Satanic contraptions such as the telegraph were being installed. While the ulama was sympathetic to many of these views they ruled that the calling of a jihad was up to the Imam, Ibn Saud.
The Ikhwan, still determined on jihad, raided across Saudi borders butchering men, women and children and herding back their animals. Transjordan and Iraq formed defence corps backed by British armored cars, radios and aeroplanes. Unable to raid outside of Saudi Arabia, the fighting turned inwards against other Wahhabis. Their moral strength dissipated and Ibn Saud with an army of loyalists met the rebel Ikhwan near Zilfi.
Ibn Saud was magnanimous in victory and allowed the rebels to return home. Several times they tried to rebel again but Ibn Saud used "Christian contraptions" such as motor cars against them. By 1930 the Ikhwan armies were completely demolished.
Nevertheless the ulama was still Wahhabist. Ibn Saud was able to demonstrate that the radio was a medium for Qur'anic verses, and insisted that his photographs be displayed. Football was legalized in 1951 but alcohol which had been available to non-Muslims was banned in 1952. In 1956 a strike was made a punishable offence and trade unions and political parties were banned; Two hundred strikers were arrested and three leaders were publicly beaten to death.
In 1957 King Saud banned women from driving. This of course is not shariah as no cars existed in Muhammad's time. The reason given is that a properly dressed woman could not change a tyre, talk to traffic police or other drivers. Probably the main reason, however, is to control women's movements especially in the light of Muslim obsession with female sexuality.
The King allowed in U S troops as part of a Training Mission on the proviso that it be free of Jews and that Christian ceremonies were forbidden. In 1962 there had been about thirty thousand slaves in Saudi Arabia but pressure by the United Nations eventually brought about the abolition of slavery, despite opposition by the fundamentalists.
In 1965 the Wahhabis led a violent demonstration against the King's decision to set up a T V Service in the kingdom.
In 1966 the King was embarrassed by articles in the newspapers written by the Vice-President of the Islamic University of Medina. He had evidence that Copernican theory was being taught at Riyadh University. Three hundred years earlier the Christian theologians had to concede that the earth went around the sun and not vice versa!
The religious police (Mutawain) armed with batons searched homes for alcohol, smashing dolls, record players and movie projectors, beating the bare calves of European women, knocking cigarettes out of mouths of people smoking in public.
In 1967 the sale of Christmas trees was banned, segregation of the sexes at schools was set at age nine, which was the age for girls to start to wear the veil. The King was forced by the Wahhabis to sack the Minister of Information for "offensive" programs on the very much censored T V service: even Mickey Mouse could not give Minnie a little peck.

 

[Aamer]

Wahhabism is just Sunnism on steroids! I've been to Saudi Arabia many times and I don't think what they practice is Islam. Why can't women drive or go out in public by themselves? What does this have to do with Islam?

Quran [16:116] And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful and that is unlawful;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

 

[Pink Top Hat]

Wahhabism is just Sunnism on steroids! I've been to Saudi Arabia many times and I don't think what they practice is Islam. Why can't women drive or go out in public by themselves? What does this have to do with Islam?

Quran [16:116] And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful and that is unlawful;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

It sure is not Islam they practice in Saudi Arabia.
IF Saudi Arabia was a Muslim country it would NEVER allow the holy land of Mecca and Medina to have US air bases and US drone bases on it as launch pads to attack other Muslims.
Totally unislamic by all measures and you have to ask yourself if they do not practice Islam and they have extra ordinary ties to Western powers who are anti Islam then why are they the Guardians of Mecca and Medina?

 

[Assad91]

Salafism isnt perfect. But this derogatory use of oje of the name of Allah, Al-Wahab, is pretty ironic. Please, go on and make takfir on all Salafis, and use the name of Allah to do so. Btw KSA is as islamic as every other muslim majority country lol.

 

[F0uad]

Pink top Hat i have to admit there are many false occasions and your one of them spreading it, you forget that the Royal Family of Saudi and many Scholars in there country oppose the Whabist movement and call them radicals to start after 1900. So its logical to assume many miss information is spreading the serves, the movement and leader was even opposed at the start when they broke idols and called people back to the real Islam.

You cited this source: Left Shoe News that uses anti-Islamic sources what can be refuted one by one if you opened a history book. This is what it says:

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Moreover i advice you to take look on the biographies of Muhammad ibn Abdwahhab and come to your own conclusion. Was he not the publisher of the book "Tahweed" and many more works that is used by all Muslims around the world? You mixed up theories and statements without citing real history (i call that dishonesty). You mentioned that hes movement is strongly against Bid'ah and Shirk well so is Islam, you forget Prophet Mohammed(saws) broke the idols and its better to destroy a tomb if its worshiped or used as a intercession. I advice you again to look into the biographies written by Ibn Ghannam's Rawdhat al-Afkar wal-Afham or Tarikh Najd (History of Najd) and Ibn Bishr's Unwan al-Majd fi Tarikh Najd before you make false occasions.


Please quote me anything of hes work that contradicts Islam..

 

[Pastek]

Wahhabism is just Sunnism on steroids! I've been to Saudi Arabia many times and I don't think what they practice is Islam. Why can't women drive or go out in public by themselves? What does this have to do with Islam?

I've also been in Saudi Arabia, and what i didn't liked was the fact that they don't let women enter in some restaurants.

Other than that, i don't know their rules very well.
Just that women can't drive, can't really work, and that young males can't go to the malls.
That is clearly not Islam.
Maybe you can tell us more about what you saw in Saudi Arabia ?

 

[F0uad]

I've also been in Saudi Arabia, and what i didn't liked was the fact that they don't let women enter in some restaurants.

Other than that, i don't know their rules very well.
Just that women can't drive, can't really work, and that young males can't go to the malls.
That is clearly not Islam.
Maybe you can tell us more about what you saw in Saudi Arabia ?

Woman do work and young males can go to malls i am not sure where you heard this kind of information but its false. I know personally people who live in Saudi..

As for driving i think it will change, Saudi is changing slowly.
I think the ruling was applied because there is a teaching that Woman's cant go beyond a certain range of there husband or a Mahram only if they are at home or near home. Not allowing Cars is a disadvantage what if its important, like i said Saudi is changing slowly they allow more things then they did 20-10 years ago so don't be surprised when that ruling is changed.

 

[Pastek]

Woman do work and young males can go to malls i am not sure where you heard this kind of information but its false. I know personally people who live in Saudi..

It was maximum 5 years ago.
I remember that men wer in charge of the lingerie's shop, and the women didn't liked the fact that they don't have a women who can advise them. So, they had to ask the cashier for the size of their bra ! (Of course they face were hide)

I know that saudi women can work, i said "not really" because strangly, they're not allowed to have some simple jobs (but i don't know enought about it)

And the enter for the mall was allowed for women and families only.

Maybe now things changed, idk.

 

[Godobeyer]

What does THAT mean?

that's mean that some muslims had no problem to kill any muslim disagree with them .

some of media called Wahabiyin (Takfiriyin) , i don't know how or why .

I am against the Takfiriyin whatever their label .

 

[Aamer]

I've also been in Saudi Arabia, and what i didn't liked was the fact that they don't let women enter in some restaurants.

Other than that, i don't know their rules very well.
Just that women can't drive, can't really work, and that young males can't go to the malls.
That is clearly not Islam.
Maybe you can tell us more about what you saw in Saudi Arabia ?

What else I saw in Saudi Arabia... Everything that happens in Western countries happens in Saudi Arabia, except it's hidden and not in the open and it's at more extreme levels than in Western countries. Homosexuality is very common, unmarried girls have sex, there is alcohol available behind closed doors, drugs, gambling, you name it. But if you're Saudi royal family, you can get away with this. If you're a commoner or immigrant, don't get caught!! On Saudi Airlines, the guy sitting next to me was drunk off his rocker, drinking out of a big gulp cup. I thought for sure he would get arrested upon landing. Instead he was escorted straight into a waiting limo. He was royal family it turns out. They treat women like animals. They would treat me like an animal as well because I'm Indian. Well until I pull out my US passport anyway, then they kiss my ***. In Mecca, watch your pocket. There are thieves everywhere. Medina however, really good people overall. Don't get me wrong, there are great people in Saudi Arabia as well. But they're in the minority. The culture of the place is one of gnorance and it seems like they use Islam as an excuse to justify their actions. The royal family can literally rape an immigrant girl and it will be covered up. But a commoner or immigrant even looks at a royal funny, good luck. The country is ignorance at it's worst. Unnatural conditions lead to sexual and moral deviance.

 

[Pastek]

Thanks for sharing your experience Aamer.

I've already heard many times what you said, but didn't know if it was true or not.

They would treat me like an animal as well because I'm Indian. Well until I pull out my US passport anyway, then they kiss my ***.

That's sad. Racism is everywhere. I know they don't treat very well the strangers, my friend's fiancé is egyptian and work there, and he told me about that.
I remember that an Indian or Pakistani said to my father in Mecca, that even if his children are born there, they don't have the same rights when it comes to education or citizenship.

Medina however, really good people overall. Don't get me wrong, there are great people in Saudi Arabia as well. But they're in the minority.

True, i prefered as well Medina

Anyway, it's complicated to understand very well what is Wahabism.

 

[Aamer]

It was supposed to be a return to original Islam. But they didn't have a time machine and couldn't go back to see what original Islam, under Prophet Muhammad was like. So Wahhabi movement went with "the more strict, the better." However, judging by the tone of the Quran, I don't believe this to be true. Remember, the original followers of Prophet Muhammad followed Quran. There were no Hadith until 300 years later. Now if you compare the logical, balanced tone of the Quran with the extreme tone of the Hadith, something feels very incongruent there. Only a few things are deemed unlawful in Quran. And all of them make sense. In Hadith, pretty much everything is unlawful. Which sect you follow is a matter of which Hadith you accept. Personally, I only follow Quran. It's free of errors, confusion and contradictions. Only God can deem something lawful or unlawful.

Quran
[16:116] And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful and that is unlawful;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

 

[AdityaMookerjee]

People must have a certain code of interaction, even with people they don't understand. This could be conservative, at best. When people behave in a manner unsuitable to themselves first, then to others, because of justification arising from basic interaction, then people consider social traits as Wahabism, when they are in number. People justify society in number. It appears, people as a society, look at other societies, and hence, societies interact.

 

[F0uad]

From Wahabism bashing to Hadith bashing.. what else?

 

[Assad91]

Astigfurllah. Quran says not to insult by nicknames. How much worse that all of you use one of the names of Allah as an insult.

 

[Assad91]

 

[Aamer]

The movement or sect known as Wahhabi or Salafi, is referred to as wahhabi because of it's founder, Abd Al Wahhab. Not because of the name of Allah meaning the bestower. I have no idea what they prefer to be called. I'm not insulting with a nickname. May Allah forgive me if I'm wrong. Just identifying them so you know who I'm talking about. And please don't say we're not supposed to divide ourselves into sects if you consider yourself Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, Shaafi, Hanafi or whatever. And the Saudi government already did the dividing. When landing in Saudi Arabia, your immigration landing form asks 1) Religion 2) Sect. If you write Sunni, you're fine. If you put something they don't like, good luck getting past immigration to make your pilgrimage. Anyone who defends Saudi Arabia government, has either never been there or is one of them or benefiting from them. Peace!