Violence in Christianity and Judaism?

[Union jack]

How about the option of " Mistakes can be made when taking metaphors literally"

 

[Caladan]

Violence in Christianity and Judaism?

You have to be living under a rock not to be familiar with at least some of the violence in the Bible, just as you'd have to live under a rock not to know about the violence in the Iliad. Also you could have done much worse than these verses, the thought of the Israelites wishing ill on the Assyrian empire, a contemporary empire which has conquered and exiled entire nations is about as provocative as the early Christians considering Rome as a source of oppression and adversity. In other words, there is nothing too strange about it.

 

[Union jack]

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

It's probably considered a weak argument to apply this to all accounts that may have been spoken in haste. The execution of the word may result in annulling everlasting life. This is a poor argument but immortals could very well lay snares for that purpose based on the Word, in my opinion.

 

[F0uad]

How about this: Atheists like to bash religions and think Atheism or Secularism is more peaceful.

Christianity and Judaism are not violent religions there are some things that can sound disturbing but who are we to judge when we don't know the circumstances and under which context those things happened?

 

[Raban]

I personally believe that though there are many parts of the Bible, (including the Old Testament) and Qur'an I believe that any religion of God must be a peaceful one. I do however believe that though the texts in question have many violent creeds, I believe they were tainted by the barbaric nature of humanity. I also believe that politicians back then, as now used religion to justify horrible things. Though I am a staunch Western Theist, I do not believe that violence shall ever be required, and that when 'conquering' you should conquer through love and compassion. (which is contrary to much of the Abrahamic scriptures)

 

[Shermana]

Let me ask you; are the Old laws part of the OT? Is OT part of the Bible? Who was the LORD in the OT? If jesus is God, he must able to travel to the past, present, and future. Christianity read the Bible. Not the torah. Judaism read the bible. Not the injeel. But they are all part of the bible.

First off, that doesn't answer what I asked about the Quran's violent parts.

Second, Jesus is not God, he is a god, the second in command of Heaven underneath THE god.

Third, Christians are SUPPOSED to read the Torah. Pauline-orthodox Christianity subverted this.

Fourth, I don't think I understand what your point is.

 

[Thief]

Not sure....does anyone know?

What religion did Hitler practice?

 

[savagewind]

Not sure....does anyone know?

What religion did Hitler practice?

A Catholic who was too busy being bad to practice being a good one.

What religion was hitler anyways? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[Flankerl]

Oh no not again.

Why? Why? Why?

 

[F0uad]

Well Christianity had a violent history and Judaism has it recently, the scriptures of both religions can also be seen violent and some passage's are violent even in context, but we who are to judge scripture when we did not live in those time periods?

 

[idea]

How about this: Atheists like to bash religions and think Atheism or Secularism is more peaceful.

yes, if we want to see who has spilt the most blood, it certainly is not religious people. 10 People Who Give Atheism a Bad Name - Listverse


" "the assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them."[1] Koukl details the number of people killed in various events involving theism and compares them to the much higher tens of millions of people killed under communist atheistic regimes.[1] It has been estimated that in less than the past 100 years, governments under the banner of communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.[2][3][4][5][6][7] Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[8] Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error (see also: Atheism and communism and Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union). " link

 

[Edenborne]

All religions whose creator god is the God of Abraham have similar, universal themes. The most encompassing one is the fact that they all believe what they do is for an ultimate good. There is plenty of violence and death in the Bible commanded by God, and as such, if the Pentateuch is canonical to these religions then it stands to reason that none of them are pacifist religions. Even with Jesus in the picture of Christianity, there is a militant drive alongside martyrdom and such by which God calls as defenders of the innocent and helpless.

 

[McBell]

yes, if we want to see who has spilt the most blood, it certainly is not religious people.

I actually agree.
It is your god.

 

[dantech]

I actually agree.
It is your god.

What about innocent blood?

 

[rusra02]

Please, explain the following passages:

Zephaniah 2:12-15

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland,
parched like a desert. The city that once
was so proud will become a pasture for sheep
and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will
settle there. Owls of many kinds will live
among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the
doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie
open to the wind and weather. This is the
fate of that boisterous city, once so secure.
"In all the world there is no city as great as
I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals
live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in
derision or shake a defiant fist

Ezekiel 9:5-7

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the
Temple." So they began by killing the
seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the
LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with
the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they
went throughout the city and did as they were told."

I believe these are statements of God's righteous judgements upon wicked people. Ezekiel chapter 9 relates God's judgment upon apostate Israelites who engaged in wickedness and false worship, as stated in Ezekiel chapter eight. Jehovah had repeatedly warned the Jews that their false worship would lead to disaster for themselves and their children. This prophecy had its fulfillment when the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and took the Jews into captivity in Babylon.

 

[dantech]

I believe these are statements of God's righteous judgements upon wicked people. Ezekiel chapter 9 relates God's judgment upon apostate Israelites who engaged in wickedness and false worship, as stated in Ezekiel chapter eight. Jehovah had repeatedly warned the Jews that their false worship would lead to disaster for themselves and their children. This prophecy had its fulfillment when the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and took the Jews into captivity in Babylon.

:clap

 

[McBell]

What about innocent blood?

Do you define "innocent" as "someone who was not killed by god"?

 

[dantech]

Do you define "innocent" as "someone who was not killed by god"?

Someone killed by another human being that was not deserving, ie:genocide, murder, etc...

Do you consider killed by my God, what atheists consider natural deaths?

 

[McBell]

Someone killed by another human being that was not deserving, ie:genocide, murder, etc...

Then your question has nothing to do with god and therefore irrelevant to the point of gods killings.

Do you consider killed by my God, what atheists consider natural deaths?

Since there is nothing natural about your god, your gods killings cannot be considered natural deaths.

 

[1robin]

I believe these are statements of God's righteous judgements upon wicked people. Ezekiel chapter 9 relates God's judgment upon apostate Israelites who engaged in wickedness and false worship, as stated in Ezekiel chapter eight. Jehovah had repeatedly warned the Jews that their false worship would lead to disaster for themselves and their children. This prophecy had its fulfillment when the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and took the Jews into captivity in Babylon.

Exactly, context is everything.

The most famous example of OT warfare is The God's instructions to wipe out the Canaanites. It says God had pleaded and worked with them for years and they had abjectly refused to repent. It was only when the Bible says their cup of iniquity was finally full that God reluctantly gave the order to attack them. Even secular scholars claim they walled up live children in foundations for their false God's and forced them to walk through fire. Compare that with the context of Muhammad’s acts. He hated poems that a few people had written so he killed the authors, someone complained about that in a poem so he killed them as well. He raided caravans of fellow Arabians for what even the Islamic scholars said was simple monetary reasons. He forced treaties at pain of death and then killed groups who did not live up to them. He beheaded people long after the battle was over and they were no threat to anyone. On one occasion it was so many people it literally wore him out. He had babies stripped from a mother’s arms so she could be stabbed to death. He condemned to death many for the soul crime of thinking Islam was nuts. Context is everything. There is violence in all religions. Only in Christianity do we find comprehensive explanations of the moral justification for them. However there are a couple that are hard to swallow but virtually all fall under the obvious just sovereignty of an all knowing and perfectly just God. He was the lamb of God, but he was also the lion of Judah.