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Featured Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

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  1. paarsurrey

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    Please read the following verses from Veda:

    Yajurveda CHAPTER VI

    18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
    ledge, and thy breath be united to life's force. O hero, thou art the
    killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
    mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
    generated by battle
    disturb thee.

    May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
    of wind, and speed of the sun.

    19. Oh warriors, drinkers of water, drink refreshing water. O
    warriors expert in statesmanship, follow the policy of heroic action.
    O general, thou shouldst stop the foes in the air. With thy martial
    and commanding voice spread thy soldiers in all regions, by-regions,
    fore-regions, back-regions, and regions in which the enemy goes
    , and
    conquer the foes, by slaying their warriors.

    20. O destroyer of the strength of the enemy, O general endowed
    with beautiful knowledge, shine forth in the battle-field subduing all
    https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

    If Veda/Yajurveda was revealed in India, as one says, then please explain who were those enemies with whom the Veda People of the time engaged in battle/war ? Please
    And where it took place and the approximate timem if possible? Please
    Kindly identify them. Please

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  3. Kirran

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    Seems very much to me as if it not addressing some particular circumstance but is speaking generally.

    What is the import of this?
     
  4. ratikala

    ratikala Istha gosthi

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    sri-bhagavan uvaca
    imam vivasvate yogam
    proktavan aham avyayam
    vivasvan manave praha
    manur iksvakave 'bravit

    The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku. ........Bhagavad Gita CH ..4 V ..1

    This imperishable science is Veda , ......
    Manu as is said above was father of mankind , Maharaj Iksvaku was son of Manu and first ruler of this earth planet , this divine truth spoken By Sri Krsna himself to Vivisvan was revealed in turn to Manu some 120, 400,000 years ago ....Vivisvan being the Sun God acts on the behest of the Supreme personality Sri Krsna , instructing Manu , he thus thus instructs all the Ksatriya decendants of Iksvaku , ....

    no where does it mention individual teritories only that this ''supreme Science'' was instructed to first King of this entire earth planet , .......




     
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    wasnt revealed ??? .......please read post above , .....

    yes true , Veda is eternal and self existing , but we all need Guru to reveal this self existing truth :)
     
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    Presently we are discussing Veda only. Please
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    this Supreme truth refered to in the Gita this is Veda , ......

    you asked question ''Veda people''?

    I am simply illustrating the lenght of time Veda has been existant on this planet , .....

    it is pointless to think that Veda only existed from the point that it was put into writen form , as this only happened in this later yuga when Mankind became forgetfull and could no longer retain Knowledge in the Heart due to the increasing material attatchment and impurity as yugas progress , in Satya Yuga everyone was pure enough not to need to learn prayer or ritual as praise came naturaly from the heart due to pure comprehension and knowledge of God , ....
     
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    That's a totally nonsensical (at the very least) comment because there have been people in India for over 100,000 years. Genetic tests show it. India was fairly bursting with people.
     
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    Paarsurrey Post of Yesterday at 6:28 AM#42

    I don't buy/subscribe to any specific theory about Veda people . My question is very simple. Who were the enemies whom Veda People faced in millions and with whom they were at war?:

    Yajurveda CHAPTER VI
    18. O warlike hero, may thy mind in battle be filled with know-
    ledge, and thy breath be united to life's force. O hero, thou art the
    killer of foes. May the fire of righteous indignation created by battle
    mature thee. Facing millions of the army of enemies, let not the heat
    generated by battle disturb thee.

    May thou get refreshing drinks to fight in war with the velocity
    of wind, and speed of the sun.
    https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

    Where these war took place and when? in the Indian-sub-Continent or out side of it? Please identify the belligerents.

    Anybody, please
    Regards
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Others may say that Vedas were revealed in India, but in my view most of YajurVeda was written (and not releaved) outside India, i.e., in Eurasian and Central Asian steppes. Their enemies were other nomadic tribes. The wars were local and the steppes are huge, and the time period also covers a few thousand years. So it is not possible to pinpoint the place or time. This happened at least 3,000 years ago. One tribe with whom Indian Aryans were not very comfortable were the 'panis'. Panis are not spoken of well in Vedas. They may relate to Parthians or the Parni tribe which was a part of Dahae. The Parnis later established the Parthian (Arsaces) empire in Iran.

    I have already replied to a similar question from you in http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ee-to-that-battle”.189446/page-8#post-4889244. I do not know why you are asking these questions again and again. Do something better than just repeating your questions (without ever understand them, since that is beyond your reach).
     
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    So, one is not sure about anything of Veda, Veda people, and the Vedic Period. Right? Please
    Does one mean that no battles/wars were fought in the Arctic Home, as per one's faith or no-faith?
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    Yeah, nobody is absolutely sure. It happened such a long time ago. The Zoroastrian story of a flood by ice dates from Glacial Ages (at least 10,000 BC). There were wars otherwise they would not have been asking for help from their Gods. In the Arctic Circle, the war was between their God Indra who was sometimes helped by Agni, Soma, Ashwins and various Vedic sages and the demons of darkness who took away the sun for two-months till the time that Indra destroyed their fort with his Vajra (made up of the bones of a horse). Some of the demons are named (roughly in order of frequency of mention) as Vritra, Vala, Pipru, Shambara, Namuchi, Kuyava, Shushna, Arbuda, Svarabhanu, etc.
     
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    Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?
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    In terms of the posts mentioned above, one may occlude following reasonable options:
    • One should make the confirmed opinion that Veda people were not a peaceful people. They were most of the time fighting with others and invoking the god/idols for helping in this cause, they needed war spoils for their livelihood and were offering sacrifices only to this end.
    • Rishis never taught such things, they were peaceful, all these verses had been made-up by the narrators/scribes/priests for their own ends.
    • Hence all such verses in all Vedas need to be compressed and only reference provided to historical reason.
    Right?
    Please correct me with reasons and arguments, if I am wrong. Please

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    If god are war-mongers as one has just described, so would those who invoke them. the humans. Not a good lessons from the gods, here gods mentioned in Veda specifically. Right? Please

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    Paarsurrey, you'd achieve a lot more in these threads if you listened to responses and engaged in genuine dialogue, as well as listening to what respondents actually understand from these texts.

     
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    If the devotees need help then would not Gods help? What else are Gods supposed to do?
     
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    I don't know. I wasn't there and never met them. The fact remains that India was populated with all kind of people over the millennia, who probably didn't get along. Why is this important to you?
     
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    The answer is very simple : the reptilians of course !

    Around that time they tried to go out from under the hollow earth to claim men's kingdom and live under the sun too. But véda people stopped them in arctic and so their invasion failed.

    Look for reptilian people on internet.

    "The heat of battle" is a reference to the fact that reptilians warriors spits fire From their mouth ( this huge world war became the start of many myths you find around the world, like dragons ! Troubling isn't ?)
     
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    I find myself wondering much the same things.

    It is of course difficult to have any specific answers about such ancient happenings. But how much doubt can there be that there were many people in India at the time, and that they had some degree of hostility and conflict along the (many) years?

    It is not like that was ever unusual anywhere, now is it?
     
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    It is a novel idea. Isn't it? Please
    Anybody, please
    Regrds
     
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