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Featured Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    You have good taste. I'm one of my favorite RF people too. (That's because I am so modest.)

    With your good taste, I'm probably going to have to make you one of my favorite people as well.

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    I think one missed it. I already answered. Didn't I?:
    Today at 11:29 AM #74
    Please
    Regards
     
  3. Kirran

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    You edited that in after Vinayaka asked that question. Be honest.

    Additionally, the response goes against RF rules and community standards by claiming the truth of your religion while disparaging another. Refresh your understanding of the rules. Also, of how to be polite to people.
     
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  4. paarsurrey

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    Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

    Does one agree that all verses/chapters of Veda that do not mention chariots run be horses and grass, flora/fauna specific to Arctic, ice and snow; were not written categorically in the Arctic, but written in the "steppes" or in the Indian-sub-Continent. Right? Please
    And the chapter/verses that mention of trees/big trees were neither written in the Arctic, nor in the steppes but in the Indian-sub-Continent.
    Anybody, please

    Regards
     
  5. Kirran

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    There've been many discussions in this area on RF over the years paarsurrey. The Hinduism DIR residents have never reached unanimity before and we won't now. That's not a problem.
     
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    Not a problem for most of us. People are allowed to think what they wish.
     
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    ancient as the word itself until they called it the true christians
    ~;> freewill as they say
    then freewill if we may say so
    though theres a consequences
    on every action
    as for every action has an equal opposite reaction


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    godbless
    unto all always
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Some say free-will, some say 'leela'. It will be a surprise if Hindus agree (except on necessity of following one's duty - 'dharma', whatever it may be).
     
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    ancient as the word itself until they called it the true christians
    ~;> indeed as always
    indeed


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  10. paarsurrey

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    Positive unanimity is achievable only on Truth, not otherwise. Right? Please
    Regards
     
  11. Kirran

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    That's the point - people disagree on what is true!

    Anyway, people have had unanimity on all sorts of things before that turned out to be wrong. Ask people if the Earth orbited the Sun 3000 years ago, everyone'd have agreed 'no'!
     
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    Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

    Does one agree that all verses/chapters of Veda that do not mention chariots run be horses and grass, flora/fauna specific to Arctic, ice and snow; were not written categorically in the Arctic, but written in the "steppes" or in the Indian-sub-Continent. Right? Please
    And the chapter/verses that mention of trees/big trees were neither written in the Arctic, nor in the steppes but in the Indian-sub-Continent.
    Anybody, please
    It is very simple. Shouldn't be difficult to agree or one should give the reason/s. Right? Please

    Regards
     
  13. Vinayaka

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    You've been on these forums how long? And you still believe its possible for everyone to agree on something?

    I presume when you say 'agree' that you actually mean \agree with Paarsurrey's views? Right?
     
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    I never said that everybody must agree with me necessarily or unnecessarily.
    It is perfectly normal to disagree with me, but with good and valid reason. Is it expecting too much from friends?

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    Is it expecting too much to listen and show respect to your friends?
     
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    Yes but you said it shouldn't be difficult to agree. (please read your own post #92) It is indeed impossible to agree on certain stuff. That's because we're all different.
     
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    There is nothing new in not agreeing to, humans do differ with one another, yet a principled and general stance is formed. Please

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    Some people do form a principled stance based on logic. Others, well, not so much. Sometimes something like ego, past false training, irrationality in general, learning disabilities, peer pressure, etc, do get in the way.
     
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    Veda is not a book of biology.

    Does one agree that all verses/chapters of Quran that do not mention camels and sand, flora/fauna specific to Arabia, sandstorm and oasis; were not written categorically in Arabia? Right? Please
     
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    Veda people never lived in Arctic. Did they?

    Does one agree that all verses/chapters of Veda that do not mention chariots run be horses and grass, flora/fauna specific to Arctic, ice and snow; were not written categorically in the Arctic, but written in the "steppes" or in the Indian-sub-Continent. Right? Please
    And the chapter/verses that mention of trees/big trees were neither written in the Arctic, nor in the steppes but in the Indian-sub-Continent.
    Anybody, please
    It is very simple. Shouldn't be difficult to agree or one should give the reason/s. Right? Please

    The point will be more clear if I give Chapter/verse of Veda/Yajurveda in which chariot/s have been mentioned, with some verses before and after for the context :

    CHAPTER VIII 6-16

    6. O f God, the fountain of happiness give us happiness today,
    tomorrow and on each day that passes ; whereby, with our refined
    intellect, we may perform noble deeds in our married life, full of beauty
    and manifold aspirations.
    7. O 1 husband, thou hast been united with me through the tics
    of marriage. Thou art the worshipper of God. Thou art the master
    of foodstuffs ; grant them to me. Safeguard your married life. I accept
    thee as the preserver of the yajna of our domestic life, the lord of riches,
    the pattern of beauty, and the progenitor of offspring.
    8. O husband, thou hast been united with me through the ties of
    wecjlock. Thou art the master of fine houses, and a man of position. I
    give well cooked food to thee, full of vitality. This is thy comfortable
    edifice. I accept thee as the giver of different kinds of comforts, I place
    thee in the company of the learned.
    9. O prosperous and handsome husband, thou hast been united with
    me through ties of marriage. Thou art the embodiment of gentleman-
    liness, the lord of wealth, the master of a loyal wife, and the son of a
    father, having the knowledge of the Vedas. May I prosper on all sides
    following the teachings received at the time of marriage. May I obtain
    the in: perishable knowledge that resides in the inmost recesses of the
    hearts of the learned. May I, receiving complete instruction from my
    teacher, a father unto me, realise on all sides the existence of God.
    10 O 1 husband, full of affection for me, the supplier of excellent
    comforts for me, the dispeller of all of my miseries, truthful in speech,
    drink the juice of medicinal herbs. O' master of a devoted wife, full of
    prowess and semen, thou art the progenitor of offspring. Impregnate
    semen in me. May I give birth to a valorous son, in connection with thee,
    the impregnator, the lord of vigour, and the guardian of the children.
    11. O' husband, thou hast been accepted by me for married life.
    Just as a charioteer yokes the horses, so art thou fully competent to carry
    on the duties of a married man. May I serve thee seated in a war chariot
    yoked with disciplined horses
    . Ye members of my family, full of noble
    qualities, for acquiring prosperity, protect me and my husband, working
    "together like horses for pulling on this chariot of our married life.
    12. O' affectionate and heroic husband, thou art the giver of
    scientific knowledge, polished speech, land and good instruction. Thou
    art conversant with the Yajur-veda, the Sama Veda, and the Rig Veda.
    Thou art invited and honoured by the learned. Invited by thee I eat the
    delicious meal prepared by thee.
    13. O 1 philanthropic husband, thou removest the sins of the
    donors, Thou removest the sins committed by ordinary human beings.
    Thou removest the sins committed by the parents. Thou removest the
    14. O, teacher, the giver of boons, the instructor of all doings,
    with noble intentions, water and food, remove thou our physical
    deficiency, and give us wealth. May we strengthen our bodies by the
    vow of celibacy.
    15. O' adorable and learned teacher and preacher, as thou leadest
    us on the right path with the nobility of thy mind, teachest us exertion/
    with thy sweet and joyful words, givest us knowledge through the learned
    and the teachings of the vedas, layest before us for example, the noble
    acts performed by the sages through wisdom and truthful speech, hence
    thou art worthy of respect by us.
    16. O' highly learned persons, acting upon your judgment, may we
    approach amongst ye, him, who gives us good knowledge, removes the
    ills of ignorance, imparts knowledge to us day and night out of his vast
    store, and removes the ills of our body.

    https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

    • The chariot is not an ordinary peace-time means of conveyance mentioned here, but a war-chariot yokes with horses, not driven by the reindeer, the verses do not mention of any ice and or snow or anything that is specific for the Arctic. I understand there were no battles and wars fought by the Veda people while they were in the Arctic, hence one could safely conclude that this Chapter 8 and its verses can not have been written in the Arctic. Am I right? Please
    • the verses mention of the married life, and also of the celibacy, and there is mention of a son also.I have not been able to understand it. Anybody to please explain in this connection. Please
    • The verses mention of three Veda "Yajur-veda, the Sama Veda, and the Rig Veda.", this entails that 1) if this Chapter/verses were revealed in in the Arctic then only Atharvaveda was revealed elsewhere the other three were in their complete form in the Arctic which furhter would entail 2) that all battles/wars mentioned in the "Yajur-veda, the Sama Veda, and the Rig Veda" were fought in the Arctic, not elsewhere . Right? Please
    Regards
     
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