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Featured Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 74x12, Jan 14, 2020.

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  1. 74x12

    74x12 Well-Known Member

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    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
     
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  2. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Which basically means only the Messiah can truly reveal the scriptures (Isaiah 29:18).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  3. Audie

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    And each Mr UNatural gets a different reading.
    Funny god, that one.
     
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  4. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Well yeah.

    The author had no choice but to word it that way.

    The whole Bible must contour itself around stark reality.

    Since there is actually no God around, it gets wrapped up in poetic mystique and made to sound as if it's something special and unique appealing to the ego of someone where it gets 'revealed'.

    It's a lot like the 'enlightenment' stchik.
     
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  5. Subduction Zone

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    Brilliant strategy. If someone does not agree with you blame God!
     
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  6. 74x12

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    Oh it's God's fault people don't seek Him for the truth rather than trusting in themselves?
     
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  7. Subduction Zone

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    If your God is omnipotent and omniscient the logical answer is "Yes." You are in effect that your God is playing hide and go seek and only giving clues to selected people. In other words you are blaming God.
     
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  8. Audie

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    You trust yourself, your belief that you are actually getting
    god-guidance.

    If you were guided to believe in noahs ark, it sure wasnt
    god guided you.
     
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  9. Dawnofhope

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    I’m inclined to agree. Unless one’s life is animated by the Holy Spirit, the Christian Bible will make little sense and cannot be accepted as being Divinely Inspired. However, where we would disagree is that not everyone who is inspired by the Holy Spirit will necessarily accept the Bible or consider it mandatory to do so.
     
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  10. Audie

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    So are you an ark-believer?
     
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    yes, natural or in Greek soul vs spiritual (the next verse).
     
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  12. Dawnofhope

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    You would need to define ark. If you mean literally Noah’s Ark that survived a worldwide flood then this contradicts scientific knowledge. If you mean the story was an allegory to assist us to understand specific spiritual teachings then I agree.
     
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  13. Audie

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    Id agree that it might be a story with "spiritual teaching".
    Or it might just be a story that never had any biblical
    meaning but somehow got in there. Or or.

    Our OP has not weighed in. Lots of others, most,
    I would venture, who claim god-help think god told
    them it was a world wide flood, real as rain.

    Lots on this forum are dead set on just that.
    All guided of god to that understanding.

    How would you explain this?
     
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  14. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Sounds like a dodge... " I understand Holy Scripture because God has granted me understanding, YOU don't understand because God hasn't given you understanding, therefore I can claim anything I like, and when it's illogical gibberish, I just condescendingly say God hasn't given you understanding "
     
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    Of course: Renounce all objections as "just not understanding" because those objections are rooted in not being filled with the spirit of god. It's nothing possibly wrong with what men have said god said, it's just they don't have the holy spook so they just can't get it. :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Subduction Zone

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    Yes, and one is simply met with massive denial when their interpretation of the Bible is shown to be wrong. @Audie's use of the Ark is a good example. One cannot interpret that literally unless one claims that God lies (an omnipotent God could conceivably flood the Earth and then lie by planting false information that tells us that it did not happen). What makes this debate all to easy is that those that tend to believe as the OP does also tend to believe in the refuted parts of the Bible.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to their beliefs including the Christians and ourselves. Many Christians don’t believe in taking all of Genesis literally as the scientific evidence that contradicts a young earth and a worldwide flood is overwhelming. If people want to ignore science that is their prerogative. In this modern era religion and science need to be in harmony. If religion insists on what science has categorically proved then that belief is mere superstition Imho.
     
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  18. Audie

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    It is a terrif killer gotcha.
    "God told me you are wrong".
     
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    All that is obvious.

    My question, though, has to do with
    two people fervently claiming they got
    the truth from god, bu getting opposite
    results.

    Do you want to address that, or not.
     
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  20. lostwanderingsoul

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    So you are obviously not a natural man.
     
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