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Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Well yeah.

The author had no choice but to word it that way.

The whole Bible must contour itself around stark reality.

Since there is actually no God around, it gets wrapped up in poetic mystique and made to sound as if it's something special and unique appealing to the ego of someone where it gets 'revealed'.

It's a lot like the 'enlightenment' stchik.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I’m inclined to agree. Unless one’s life is animated by the Holy Spirit, the Christian Bible will make little sense and cannot be accepted as being Divinely Inspired. However, where we would disagree is that not everyone who is inspired by the Holy Spirit will necessarily accept the Bible or consider it mandatory to do so.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I’m inclined to agree. Unless one’s life is animated by the Holy Spirit, the Christian Bible will make little sense and cannot be accepted as being Divinely Inspired. However, where we would disagree is that not everyone who is inspired by the Holy Spirit will necessarily accept the Bible or consider it mandatory to do so.

So are you an ark-believer?
 

leov

Well-Known Member
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
yes, natural or in Greek soul vs spiritual (the next verse).
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You would need to define ark. If you mean literally Noah’s Ark that survived a worldwide flood then this contradicts scientific knowledge. If you mean the story was an allegory to assist us to understand specific spiritual teachings then I agree.

Id agree that it might be a story with "spiritual teaching".
Or it might just be a story that never had any biblical
meaning but somehow got in there. Or or.

Our OP has not weighed in. Lots of others, most,
I would venture, who claim god-help think god told
them it was a world wide flood, real as rain.

Lots on this forum are dead set on just that.
All guided of god to that understanding.

How would you explain this?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Sounds like a dodge... " I understand Holy Scripture because God has granted me understanding, YOU don't understand because God hasn't given you understanding, therefore I can claim anything I like, and when it's illogical gibberish, I just condescendingly say God hasn't given you understanding "
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Of course: Renounce all objections as "just not understanding" because those objections are rooted in not being filled with the spirit of god. It's nothing possibly wrong with what men have said god said, it's just they don't have the holy spook so they just can't get it. :rolleyes:
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sounds like a dodge... " I understand Holy Scripture because God has granted me understanding, YOU don't understand because God hasn't given you understanding, therefore I can claim anything I like, and when it's illogical gibberish, I just condescendingly say God hasn't given you understanding "

Yes, and one is simply met with massive denial when their interpretation of the Bible is shown to be wrong. @Audie's use of the Ark is a good example. One cannot interpret that literally unless one claims that God lies (an omnipotent God could conceivably flood the Earth and then lie by planting false information that tells us that it did not happen). What makes this debate all to easy is that those that tend to believe as the OP does also tend to believe in the refuted parts of the Bible.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Id agree that it might be a story with "spiritual teaching".
Or it might just be a story that never had any biblical
meaning but somehow got in there. Or or.

Our OP has not weighed in. Lots of others, most,
I would venture, who claim god-help think god told
them it was a world wide flood, real as rain.

Lots on this forum are dead set on just that.
All guided of god to that understanding.

How would you explain this?

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs including the Christians and ourselves. Many Christians don’t believe in taking all of Genesis literally as the scientific evidence that contradicts a young earth and a worldwide flood is overwhelming. If people want to ignore science that is their prerogative. In this modern era religion and science need to be in harmony. If religion insists on what science has categorically proved then that belief is mere superstition Imho.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Of course: Renounce all objections as "just not understanding" because those objections are rooted in not being filled with the spirit of god. It's nothing possibly wrong with what men have said god said, it's just they don't have the holy spook so they just can't get it. :rolleyes:
It is a terrif killer gotcha.
"God told me you are wrong".
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs including the Christians and ourselves. Many Christians don’t believe in taking all of Genesis literally as the scientific evidence that contradicts a young earth and a worldwide flood is overwhelming. If people want to ignore science that is their prerogative. In this modern era religion and science need to be in harmony. If religion insists on what science has categorically proved then that belief is mere superstition.

All that is obvious.

My question, though, has to do with
two people fervently claiming they got
the truth from god, bu getting opposite
results.

Do you want to address that, or not.
 
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