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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by filthyrottendirty, Mar 16, 2021.

  1. Yahcubs777

    Yahcubs777 Active Member

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    GOD has one Son, Adam. That is all.
     
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    Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD. HE spoke on the shoes of HIS son, Adam, who the builders rejected. Tell me, which church is saying HE is not the Christ, the Son of GOD? But what do they say about Father Adam? Not even one thing good.

    Noah was called a child of comfort, I suppose HE is GODs Most Holy Spirit as well?
     
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    The Christology of the author of John, like the Christology of Paul, is flavored by Gnosticism. In Gnosticism God is pure and remote spirit, and as such would never stoop to bringing the material world into being. This job then falls to God's created companion in heaven, the demiurge ("craftsman"), whom those authors see as Jesus:

    John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

    1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.​

    In neither case is the claim that Jesus is God, since that is expressly denied by each author again eg:

    1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

    Philippians 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    John 8:42 “I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.”

    John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

    John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
    Jesus in Mark, Matthew and Luke also expressly denies he's God, and as with Paul and John, nowhere claims to be God.

    If I read your post correctly, you say much the same thing. Please correct me if that's wrong.

    Jesus does not become God, and God does not become triune, till the 4th century CE. Neither the authors of the NT nor any historical Jesus had ever heard of the Trinity doctrine at that time.


     
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    God has more than one son.

    Romans 8:14
    For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

    Job 1:6
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
     
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    You're right, sadly we're in the minority among Christians.
     
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    Job 38
    7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
    And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

    imagine that , God has many heavenly sons
     
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    We are all sons of God. The Bible speaks of many sons.
     
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    Except those who are daughters, of course ─ slightly more than half.
     
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    The life, death and resurrection of Jesus revealed that God has a Son who is divine.
     
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    Same thing, sons, daughters, our real parents are deities. All personality comes from the Father.
     
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    Lucifer and Satan were sons of God with powers and authority in the chain of command else they could not have fooled the whole world.
     
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    Yes.

    Lucifer isn't a character in the Bible that's a misconception.
     
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    Jerome gave him the name Lucifer.
     
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    Who is Jerome?
     
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    Yes, "IN" the beginning was the word ( aka pre-human heavenly Jesus )
    I find No Scripture that says Jesus was "BEFORE" the beginning.
    However, I do find at Psalms 90:2 that God is from: everlasting.
    Everlasting as meaning "BEFORE" the beginning of anything else.
    So, only God was "BEFORE" the beginning, and Jesus was never "BEFORE" the beginning as his God was.
     
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    No,He has one Son, HIS only Begotten Son, Father Adam, the Son of GOD. Father Adam Spirit Being was birthed by The Most Holy Spirit of GOD.

    If you call GOD father, without recognising HIS son, you are calling GOD Abram; assumed father

    Saul Paul was very unclear in his writings which has led to the confusion of the church.

    Every child of the kingdom is a Son or Daughter of Adam, who is our principal ancestor. Only reason we can call GOD father, is because HIS Son is our principal ancestor.

    The add options, are the Angels, Seraphim and cherubim that are pure hominids, by the teachings of Father Adam in Eden; the Micha-el who taught Arch Angel Michael and gave him the authority in his name to do things while he would be in the ghost world. They do not call GOD their father, they call HIM GOD.

    No child of the kingdom is an add option (adoption), but a legitimate citizen by birth; genetically linked with the Son of GOD, Adam His Eminence; the Lord of all the administrative heavens.

    I'm glad you mentioned that Job, as that is an allegory about the fall of Man. Job is Adam in the Fall.
     
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    A Son is a child by birth. The person born was not a creation, that was conceptualised in GODs brain. That is a not a Son. A Son is who you gave birth too.
     
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    Divine is in the eye of the beholder, but Jesus was more than clear on the point that he wasn't God.
    You never met my wife, of course.
     
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    Plural manifestation. Jesus was God standing before us anonymously. The person of Michael incarnate as Jesus was clear that he is a Son.

    The problem for finite beings is that the Paradise Trinity as the source of subordinate (deities) is nonunderstandable to us because was are personality.
     
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    "Jerome of Stridon who, in 382, had been commissioned by Pope Damasus I to revise the Vetus Latina Gospels used by the Roman Church."

    Jerome is responsible for the Vulgate translation of the scriptures. That's when the proper name "Lucifer" first appeared in scripture.
     
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