Truth: either God exists or He don't.

[Pilgrim Soldier]

So you guys got fooled by Antifa. That just shows how incompetent they are, to be infiltrated by an equally incompetent group like Antifa.

We didn't get fooled at all, the real protesters didn't invade the building and they didn't use violence against the police. Our people are not home grown terrorists, they are all patriotic Americans. The opposition supporters are quite happy to abolish the bill of rights and change the constitution to a socialist dictatorship.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

But apparently some of them do...?

The Republicans strongly believe that law and order need to be upheld at any cost. The Democrats never punished or disciplined their people for attacking america as home grown terrorists during the racist attacks on all law abiding citizens by the BLM rioters.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm only going by what my reliable independent news sources say.I wasn't there but everything makes sense, from the timing of the PLANDEMIC to facilitate and falsify postal vote numbers and the invasion of the Capitol to take the spotlight of the stolen election and to push the witch hunt against Trump

I am sorry, what is your source? I severely doubt if it is reliable. Your sources were shown to be wrong. That means in fact that they are not reliable.


By the way, how do you like the evidence that I have found for you so far?

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

There were no terrorists. We were peacefully protesting cops who have murdered innocent black people.

OK I get it, you expect me to believe that all of the murders. looting, burning, assaults were committed by peaceful protesters who protested over unproven allegations of murder. Aren't you supposed to riot after the courts deal with the allegations.
My sources tell me that George Floyd died of a Heroin overdose whilst in custody and refusing arrest. The officers concerned knew that he was a violent drug addicted criminal who put a gun in a pregnant ladies tummy. I probably wouldn't take any chances with that kind of criminal, if I was in the officers shoes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There were no terrorists. We were peacefully protesting cops who have murdered innocent black people.

Unfortunately there were a lot of violent riots associated with the protests. Any protesting group that greatly outnumbers the police is responsible for all of the people at the protest. Those that protested violently were simply accepted by the BLM folks. And the Republicans that tried to cause an insurrection were accepted by the Republicans. Now the Tu Quo Que fallacy of @Pilgrim Soldier does not help him But to ignore the fact that there were severe abuses during the BLM protests actually hurt the causes of the left.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

I am sorry, what is your source? I severely doubt if it is reliable. Your sources were shown to be wrong. That means in fact that they are not reliable.


By the way, how do you like the evidence that I have found for you so far?

Your "evidence" was all subjective to it's providers rules and regulations. It's easy to push fabrications as evidence when you create the whole thing and use your own testing methods to justify it all

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your "evidence" was all subjective to it's providers rules and regulations. It's easy to push fabrications as evidence when you create the whole thing and use your own testing methods to justify it all

LOL! You still do not now what is and what is not evidence.

 

[Left Coast]

The Republicans strongly believe that law and order need to be upheld at any cost. The Democrats never punished or disciplined their people for attacking america as home grown terrorists during the racist attacks on all law abiding citizens by the BLM rioters.

OK I get it, you expect me to believe that all of the murders. looting, burning, assaults were committed by peaceful protesters who protested over unproven allegations of murder. Aren't you supposed to riot after the courts deal with the allegations.
My sources tell me that George Floyd died of a Heroin overdose whilst in custody and refusing arrest. The officers concerned knew that he was a violent drug addicted criminal who put a gun in a pregnant ladies tummy. I probably wouldn't take any chances with that kind of criminal, if I was in the officers shoes.

Your "sources" have profoundly misinformed you. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a "rioter." I'm just a regular person who believes in the constitutional right of assembly. And yes, the vast majority of us were, and are, peaceful.

 

[Left Coast]

Unfortunately there were a lot of violent riots associated with the protests. Any protesting group that greatly outnumbers the police is responsible for all of the people at the protest. Those that protested violently were simply accepted by the BLM folks. And the Republicans that tried to cause an insurrection were accepted by the Republicans. Now the Tu Quo Que fallacy of @Pilgrim Soldier does not help him But to ignore the fact that there were severe abuses during the BLM protests actually hurt the causes of the left.

I was referring to the protests I attended. There were no "terrorists" there. Yes, I realize some protestors got violent at some protests. They have been a minority. And I don't think violence is helpful to the cause.

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

Your "sources" have profoundly misinformed you. I'm not a terrorist. I'm not a "rioter." I'm just a regular person who believes in the constitutional right of assembly. And yes, the vast majority of us were, and are, peaceful.

I have no doubt that your a respectable citizen who deserves to be recognised as such. I just think the silence and inaction by the Democrats towards those enemies of America is of great concern.

At least Trump always made it clear that using lawlessness and violence to make a political point is unacceptable. The Democrats tolerated it and blamed the victims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was referring to the protests I attended. There were no "terrorists" there. Yes, I realize some protestors got violent at some protests. They have been a minority. And I don't think violence is helpful to the cause.

Yes, even Biden realized that the one main reason that we did not see a "Blue wave" was because of all of the violent protests. By the way, any time a protest escalates to the point of property damage it has become violent and is no longer peaceful.

 

[Left Coast]

I have no doubt that your a respectable citizen who deserves to be recognised as such. I just think the silence and inaction by the Democrats towards those enemies of America is of great concern.

I don't think the issue is as big as you think it is. Most of the protestors were peaceful. The media likes to promote sensationalism, don't you think?

At least Trump always made it clear that using lawlessness and violence to make a political point is unacceptable. The Democrats tolerated it and blamed the victims.

Except that isn't true. He incited violence more than once. He literally offered to pay the court fees of supporters who committed violence at his rallies. Not to mention the insanity that happened last month at the Capitol.

 

[Left Coast]

By the way, any time a protest escalates to the point of property damage it has become violent and is no longer peaceful.

We disagree there. Spraypainting a building is not "violence" in any reasonable sense of the word. It's certainly not something I would do or have done, but I care much more about actual violence, like police killing unarmed people for no good reason, than that.

But come to think of it, this is all very far afield from whether God exists. How did we get here?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We disagree there. Spraypainting a building is not "violence" in any reasonable sense of the word. It's certainly not something I would do or have done, but I care much more about actual violence, like police killing unarmed people for no good reason, than that.

And part of the problem with the BLM movement is that cases of "police killing unarmed people for no good reason" are very rare. You may have forgotten that the event that triggered this resulted in the officers involved being arrested before any significant protests began. When the police break the law they are often prosecuted. And since one is in effect taking away part of a person's life if one destroys their property property damage is violent. So there was probably many more violent protests that you would admit to.

I do know that some reform is needed, but for the most part the BLM movement is based upon a false narrative.

 

[night912]

We didn't get fooled at all, the real protesters didn't invade the building and they didn't use violence against the police. Our people are not home grown terrorists, they are all patriotic Americans. The opposition supporters are quite happy to abolish the bill of rights and change the constitution to a socialist dictatorship.

You don't have to admit it, but you got fooled.

 

[Left Coast]

And part of the problem with the BLM movement is that cases of "police killing unarmed people for no good reason" are very rare. You may have forgotten that the event that triggered this resulted in the officers involved being arrested before any significant protests began.

George Floyd was one in a long string of killings of unarmed black people by police. Quite a few police involved in these shootings have not been prosecuted.

And the systemic racism being protested goes beyond just deaths. It pervades every level of the justice system and beyond. Black people are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to have their vehicles searched, more likely to be incarcerated for drug use even though they use at similar rates to whites, more likely to serve longer prison sentences for the same crime and more likely to be given the death penalty. Policies like stop and frisk, "broken windows" policing, and the war on drugs have had a direct and disproportionate effect on black communities.

This stuff isn't rare. It's daily life for folks who are black. It's just that extremely egregious examples are what finally get the public's attention.

And since one is in effect taking away part of a person's life if one destroys their property property damage is violent. So there was probably many more violent protests that you would admit to.

Spray painting the side of a building is not "violent" unless we stretch words to meaninglessness. Again, not a strategy I endorse. But also not violent. Let's try to be accurate.

Again - what does any of this have to do with whether God exists?

 

[Neuropteron]

But! What if He does?

Given the context of a discussion forum it appears to be an invitation to discuss the premise:

The above statement is logical, valid premise and fundamentally correct from a scriptural perspective. This is evidently reflected by the apostle Paul’s statement at 1 Corinthians 15:19:

“If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all men most to be pitied” (1 Corinthians 15:19)

Moreover, what applies to a resurrection promise applied to the existence of God and His revealed purpose, if one is true the other is also.

The axiom is interesting because as the existence of life denotes a life giver, so does the ability to reflect and reason provide ample evidence of a designer of the innate mental processes.

However belief in the existence in a creator is not sufficient as stated by James: “ You believe there is one God do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.” (James 2:19)

What is worthwhile in addition to belief based on such sound reasoning is accurate knowledge of God’s requirements.

Two sources of such knowledge are reflectively contemplating God’s creation and prayerfully examining His revealed inspired words.

Psalm 19:1-9 “The heavens are declaring the glory of God...”; and “the law of Jehovah is perfect...”

In complete contrast with human reasoning the bible encourages seeking ‘accurate knowledge for salvation’ and contemplating “things written aforetime for our instruction” that we might have guidance comfort and hope” directly from the living God.

Kind Regards,

P

 

[Subduction Zone]

George Floyd was one in a long string of killings of unarmed black people by police. Quite a few police involved in these shootings have not been prosecuted.

And the systemic racism being protested goes beyond just deaths. It pervades every level of the justice system and beyond. Black people are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to have their vehicles searched, more likely to be incarcerated for drug use even though they use at similar rates to whites, more likely to serve longer prison sentences for the same crime and more likely to be given the death penalty. Policies like stop and frisk, "broken windows" policing, and the war on drugs have had a direct and disproportionate effect on black communities.

This stuff isn't rare. It's daily life for folks who are black. It's just that extremely egregious examples are what finally get the public's attention.

Deaths are more due to economics than race. And granted there are problems with racial disparity in wealth. A lot of problems But blaming the police for these problems will not solve anything. Quite often when a long list of cases of police killings are given the majority were justified. One of the main problems is that police have been overloaded in their workload. When only one or two people encounter a violent person the only safe reaction is too often using firearms. A lone police officer has very few options.

Spray painting the side of a building is not "violent" unless we stretch words to meaninglessness. Again, not a strategy I endorse. But also not violent. Let's try to be accurate.

Again - what does any of this have to do with whether God exists?

You were the one that brought up the example of spray painting, but if it takes a person ten hours to clean up after protestors that is in effect more than a day of their life shot. They not only have to clean up after them, but the cannot make any money while doing so. It is a form of temporary slavery. You are likely to escalate what you consider to be "nonviolent" from painting allowing all sorts of excesses. Like it or not destruction of property is violent. It may not be violent towards a person but that does not mean it is not violent. And you want to have it both ways. Once a protest steps out of line they can no longer claim to be a protest. Whether conservative or liberal.

 

[Left Coast]

Deaths are more due to economics than race. And granted there are problems with racial disparity in wealth. A lot of problems But blaming the police for these problems will not solve anything. Quite often when a long list of cases of police killings are given the majority were justified. One of the main problems is that police have been overloaded in their workload. When only one or two people encounter a violent person the only safe reaction is too often using firearms. A lone police officer has very few options.




You were the one that brought up the example of spray painting, but if it takes a person ten hours to clean up after protestors that is in effect more than a day of their life shot. They not only have to clean up after them, but the cannot make any money while doing so. It is a form of temporary slavery. You are likely to escalate what you consider to be "nonviolent" from painting allowing all sorts of excesses. Like it or not destruction of property is violent. It may not be violent towards a person but that does not mean it is not violent. And you want to have it both ways. Once a protest steps out of line they can no longer claim to be a protest. Whether conservative or liberal.

I'm feeling temporarily enslaved by this conversation, so I'm going to go ahead and break the chains. It's got nothing to do with the OP, and it was argued ad nauseum here 6 months ago. Onward and upward.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What a great big load of cra*,

No. Instead, well known and well established facts. Facts that were known ahead of time.

how did they manage to fool the sheeple into believing that Biden would get 100% of the postal vote.

He didn't get "100%" of the postal vote. He got the majority of the postal vote. Just like Trump got the majority of the in person vote.

Which is to be expected considering democrats were campaigning for months to vote through mail while Trump was campaigning to vote in person.

What do you find so strange about this?
Are you seriously this oblivious about what both parties were calling their followers to do for MONTHS before the elections? Did you seriously read NOTHING at all ahead of the election?

Again: everybody knew what to expect... everybody knew ahead of time that mail-in would overwhelmingly be pro-Biden while in-person would overwhelmingly be pro-Trump. How come you are so ignorant about this?

I've never hear anything so pathetic and ridiculous in my life and you run with it as if it's true.

I've never met someone as willfully ignorant as you.

Sure they they did their homework and prepared the sheeple for the scam, ahead of time

//facepalm

There is no scam.

Democrats were going to overwhelmingly vote through mail. Republicans were going to vote in-person.
This was known ahead of time. Again, why do you then find it surprising that mail-ins were overwhelmingly pro-biden while in-person were overwhelmingly pro-trump?

It never ceases to amaze me how effective propaganda is on the minds of the masses.

See the irony gif again.