There are limits. Nit Romney's beliefs are no more crazy than any other ancient religion based on the mythology of ancient scripture.
Trump's support of Dr. Stella Immanuel goes far beyond the limits of sanity for both.
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Trump follows and endorses crazy Doctor
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There are limits. Nit Romney's beliefs are no more crazy than any other ancient religion based on the mythology of ancient scripture.
Trump's support of Dr. Stella Immanuel goes far beyond the limits of sanity for both.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Ah, just a small handful of kooks and quacks handpicked by politicians to be propaganda puppets.
GameChanger
Member
I can’t think of anyway Romney’s non-scientific beliefs affected policy. Not saying they didn’t, but I can’t think of anything. If they did affect policy, I agree there is no difference. If they don’t affect policy, I don’t care what anyone believes in their personal life.
GameChanger
Member
This thread was about discrediting a doctor on the basis of a couple of wacky beliefs that they hold which have no bearing on their professional conduct.
My point states simply that the "crazy beliefs" have no relevance to the credibility of the doctor being name-called and discredited in the thread and, by proxy, it's little more than yet another veiled attempt to attack Trump.
Would you let a Mormon perform heart surgery on you?
GameChanger
Member
Would you care to explain why?
Thanks for the name calling though. Really adds to the discourse.
If he or she was a qualified cardiovascular surgeon, yes. If the Mormon in question was a florist, no.
But the “wacky views” of the doctor are relevant in making a determination of her medical opinion. If she does not understand what causes gynaecological cysts then I am reasonable in questioning her other medical opinions.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you for the link
I saw a few minutes, and I agree that they promote. They are giving even more false information
Yesterday I went to my physician, and she said "I don't know if diet is important or has effect on getting sick or not". Disgusting that they allow such humans to be doctors. Obviously she is in bed with Big Pharma, preferring their commission instead of telling the truth. Same I see here.
With this Covid-19 they have a different agenda, which they don't tell us
It is easy to discredit a charelton both in and out of the White House. Dr. Stella Immanuel openly advocated dangerous non-scientific practices, claims of healing and misinformation that can lead to the death and suffering of thousands, and Trump bought into it. Nit Romney has never done this.
No problem. There are many competent Mormon surgeons. In fact there are several internationally famous heart hospitals in Salt Lake City.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Ah, just a small handful of kooks and quacks handpicked by politicians to be propaganda puppets.
Hmmm...maybe you're right:
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeat..._k3Zi2Zitp0PMCnYYnHLmuzjKCr9BGo2Yd58Oegz0kWYc
ecco
Veteran Member
ecco
Veteran Member
I guess I could pray to God that this part is true.
quote a friend 'Hypatia_Alexandria'. Dr Stella Immanuel apparently knows"The Truth is Out There".
Gynaecological problems like cysts, endometriosis and infertility are the physical effects of demons having sex with humans and depositing demons sperm in humans in their dream world. She says that medical issues like endometriosis, cysts, infertility, and impotence happen because demons and witches have sex with humans in the dream world.
"They are responsible for serious gynaecological problems," Immanuel said. "We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband," she claimed this in a 2013 sermon on the topic, Daily Beast reported. [...] On the issue of coronavirus, she claims that hydroxychloroquine, the drug that Donald Trump has also touted to be effective and says he has taken himself, can treat coronavirus. She claimed that HCQ is so potent that protective face masks are not required.
Unsurprisingly,
" Donald Trump, who has so frequently been at the loggerheads with the top immunologist Dr Anthony Fauci, CDC and the FDA over the efficacy of Hydroxychlorquine in treatment against the coronavirus, has hugely supported Dr Stella Immanuel who received her medical degree in Nigeria.*
On Monday, he retweeted a video of Immmaunel where she made the controversial claim about HCQ. His son Donald Trump Jr retweeted the video with a comment, "must watch.""
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/demon-sper...-expert-825411
* A country that still believes in witchcraft and persecutes "witch-children".
ecco
Veteran Member
Sadly you really believe what you write.
This "doctor" related a story of a women who was pregnant with a demon's fetus. She went on to say that she cast out the demonic fetus "right here on this stage".
I hope that everyone who believes this kind of nonsense seek out quacks like her whenever they (you) need any kind of medical attention.
ecco
Veteran Member
I tried to find out who “America’s Frontline Doctors” really were and what their qualifications are. Here a few snippets...
Who Are 'America's Frontline Doctors', the Pro-Trump, Pro-Hydroxychloroquine Weirdos Banned From Social Media?
Dr. Stella Immanuel
Dr. Stella Immanuel is a doctor in Texas who has, let’s say, unorthodox views on just about everything in life. Immanuel received her medical license as recently as November, according to the Washington Post, and believes in a conspiracy theory that world leaders are secretly lizards who are dressed up in human suits.
Dr. Simone Gold
Dr. Simone Gold is a doctor and lawyer in Los Angeles who publicly takes credit as the founder of “America’s Frontline Doctors,” a group whose website was set up 12 days ago, and amusingly appears to be down right now.
Gold has been a regular on the right-wing media circuit during the pandemic, appearing on Fox News on May 21, arguing that patients are being harmed by the shutdowns taking place across the country.
Dr. James Todaro
Dr. James Todaro may have a degree in medicine, but he’s pretty far from the frontlines of the pandemic right now. In fact, he hasn’t seen a patient since 2018, according to his own biographies online. What’s Mr. Todaro doing these days? He’s promoting bitcoin. Well, he’s promoting bitcoin and hydroxychloroquine, it would seem.
Dr. Stella Immanuel is a doctor in Texas who has, let’s say, unorthodox views on just about everything in life. Immanuel received her medical license as recently as November, according to the Washington Post, and believes in a conspiracy theory that world leaders are secretly lizards who are dressed up in human suits.
Dr. Simone Gold
Dr. Simone Gold is a doctor and lawyer in Los Angeles who publicly takes credit as the founder of “America’s Frontline Doctors,” a group whose website was set up 12 days ago, and amusingly appears to be down right now.
Gold has been a regular on the right-wing media circuit during the pandemic, appearing on Fox News on May 21, arguing that patients are being harmed by the shutdowns taking place across the country.
Dr. James Todaro
Dr. James Todaro may have a degree in medicine, but he’s pretty far from the frontlines of the pandemic right now. In fact, he hasn’t seen a patient since 2018, according to his own biographies online. What’s Mr. Todaro doing these days? He’s promoting bitcoin. Well, he’s promoting bitcoin and hydroxychloroquine, it would seem.
Appropriate considering your failure to fully read and comprehend the references.
ecco
Veteran Member
So, you found a reputable doctor who still believes in hydroxychloroquine. That is completely meaningless. Einstein never believed in quantum mechanics, Hoyle never accepted an expanding universe, Behe discredits evolution.
But let's look at some of the studies he cites as supporting his beliefs...
From your link...(comments in red are mine)
Since publication of my May 27 article, seven more studies have demonstrated similar benefit. In a lengthy follow-up letter, also published by AJE, I discuss these seven studies and renew my call for the immediate early use of hydroxychloroquine in high-risk patients. These seven studies include: an additional 400 high-risk patients treated by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, with zero deaths;
From where? Russia?
... four studies totaling almost 500 high-risk patients treated in nursing homes and clinics across the U.S., with no deaths;
a controlled trial of more than 700 high-risk patients in Brazil, with significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and two deaths among 334 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine;
Since my letter was published, even more doctors have reported to me their completely successful use.
But, I think you should wear a medical bracelet that states: "In case of COVID-19, treat only with hydroxychloroquine".
The Henry Ford Hospital here has also found hydroxyetcetera
efficacious in fighting Covid. But it's far from a "cure", as claimed
by the "witch doctor" in the video.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But did the doctor endorse crazy Trump?
Trump bathes in conspiracy theories, which is undoubtedly one reason why he read the "National Enquirer".