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"Trump Administration Issues Unnecessary Rules to 'Protect' Prayer in Schools"

Skwim

Veteran Member
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Earlier today, [1-16-20] the Trump administration issued a statement supposedly strengthening students’ right to pray at school… which is the government equivalent of a band getting applause for shouting out the name of the city they’re in. There’s no real work involved but fans love the lip service.


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"Lip service" you say. Hmmm . . . That would include the women too, wouldn't it?



Let’s be clear: Kids can always pray in school. No one has ever tried to take that right away from them, including atheists. It’s only when the line is crossed — when coaches lead the prayers, or staffers participate in the prayers, or a public address system is used to broadcast those prayers — that legal action must be taken.

Not that the white evangelicals surrounding Trump care for that nuance. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said in a phone call that the government would be “protecting” students’ right to worship, a right that already exists.


“Our actions today will protect the constitutional rights of students, teachers and faith-based institutions,” DeVos said. “The department’s efforts will level the playing field between religious and nonreligious organizations competing for federal grants, as well as protect First Amendment freedoms on campus and the religious liberty of faith-based institutions. I proudly share President Trump’s commitment to religious freedom and the First Amendment.”

The Education Department also plans to issue guidance that will require local school districts to certify that they have no rules or regulations that conflict with students’ right to pray at school. It will also require states to notify the Education Department if there are complaints against a school district regarding the right to pray. The department does not have similar reporting requirements for states when a school district is accused of other types of discrimination.


That certification is unnecessary since that’s how public school already work. But you can bet right-wing groups will declare it a victory. As for the complaints, it’s not clear what qualifies. If a coach prays with students — which is illegal — but Christian parents complain because they want the coach to break the law, are schools required to tell the government about it? If so, what’s the administration going to do?

It’s all just a way to appease angry conservative Christian who demand the ability to force their religion down everyone else’s throats.
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sooda

Veteran Member
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Earlier today, [1-16-20] the Trump administration issued a statement supposedly strengthening students’ right to pray at school… which is the government equivalent of a band getting applause for shouting out the name of the city they’re in. There’s no real work involved but fans love the lip service.

10445082ahW.jpg
"Lip service" you say. Hmmm . . . That would include the women too, wouldn't it?



Let’s be clear: Kids can always pray in school. No one has ever tried to take that right away from them, including atheists. It’s only when the line is crossed — when coaches lead the prayers, or staffers participate in the prayers, or a public address system is used to broadcast those prayers — that legal action must be taken.

Not that the white evangelicals surrounding Trump care for that nuance. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said in a phone call that the government would be “protecting” students’ right to worship, a right that already exists.


“Our actions today will protect the constitutional rights of students, teachers and faith-based institutions,” DeVos said. “The department’s efforts will level the playing field between religious and nonreligious organizations competing for federal grants, as well as protect First Amendment freedoms on campus and the religious liberty of faith-based institutions. I proudly share President Trump’s commitment to religious freedom and the First Amendment.”

The Education Department also plans to issue guidance that will require local school districts to certify that they have no rules or regulations that conflict with students’ right to pray at school. It will also require states to notify the Education Department if there are complaints against a school district regarding the right to pray. The department does not have similar reporting requirements for states when a school district is accused of other types of discrimination.
That certification is unnecessary since that’s how public school already work. But you can bet right-wing groups will declare it a victory. As for the complaints, it’s not clear what qualifies. If a coach prays with students — which is illegal — but Christian parents complain because they want the coach to break the law, are schools required to tell the government about it? If so, what’s the administration going to do?

It’s all just a way to appease angry conservative Christian who demand the ability to force their religion down everyone else’s throats.
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Trump's posturing is very tiresome.. He probably didn't know kids could pray in school.

I swear he's dumber than dirt.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Trump's posturing is very tiresome.. He probably didn't know kids could pray in school.

I swear he's dumber than dirt.
I have a more Machiavellian view - he's trying to energize his base to come out and vote against the socialist, atheist, devil-worshipping Democrats who are trying to destroy America by taking away their AK-47's.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
"Right to pray" would cover Muslims, Jews, and whoever else wanted to pray to whoever or whatever they pray to wouldn't it? I didn't see anywhere where it stated Christian prayers only.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I have a more Machiavellian view - he's trying to energize his base to come out and vote against the socialist, atheist, devil-worshipping Democrats who are trying to destroy America by taking away their AK-47's.

Well, Trump sure is mocking the intellect of his followers.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
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Earlier today, [1-16-20] the Trump administration issued a statement supposedly strengthening students’ right to pray at school… which is the government equivalent of a band getting applause for shouting out the name of the city they’re in. There’s no real work involved but fans love the lip service.

10445082ahW.jpg
"Lip service" you say. Hmmm . . . That would include the women too, wouldn't it?



Let’s be clear: Kids can always pray in school. No one has ever tried to take that right away from them, including atheists. It’s only when the line is crossed — when coaches lead the prayers, or staffers participate in the prayers, or a public address system is used to broadcast those prayers — that legal action must be taken.

Not that the white evangelicals surrounding Trump care for that nuance. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos said in a phone call that the government would be “protecting” students’ right to worship, a right that already exists.


“Our actions today will protect the constitutional rights of students, teachers and faith-based institutions,” DeVos said. “The department’s efforts will level the playing field between religious and nonreligious organizations competing for federal grants, as well as protect First Amendment freedoms on campus and the religious liberty of faith-based institutions. I proudly share President Trump’s commitment to religious freedom and the First Amendment.”

The Education Department also plans to issue guidance that will require local school districts to certify that they have no rules or regulations that conflict with students’ right to pray at school. It will also require states to notify the Education Department if there are complaints against a school district regarding the right to pray. The department does not have similar reporting requirements for states when a school district is accused of other types of discrimination.
That certification is unnecessary since that’s how public school already work. But you can bet right-wing groups will declare it a victory. As for the complaints, it’s not clear what qualifies. If a coach prays with students — which is illegal — but Christian parents complain because they want the coach to break the law, are schools required to tell the government about it? If so, what’s the administration going to do?

It’s all just a way to appease angry conservative Christian who demand the ability to force their religion down everyone else’s throats.
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Looking for votes from uninformed people,,,,,,
 

sooda

Veteran Member
"Right to pray" would cover Muslims, Jews, and whoever else wanted to pray to whoever or whatever they pray to wouldn't it? I didn't see anywhere where it stated Christian prayers only.


D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine sued President Trump’s inaugural committee and business Wednesday, alleging that the committee violated its nonprofit status by spending more than $1 million to book a ballroom at Trump’s D.C. hotel that its staff knew was overpriced and that it barely used.

During the lead-up to Trump’s January 2017 inauguration, the committee booked the hotel ballroom for $175,000 a day, plus more than $300,000 in food and beverage costs, over the objections of its own event planner.

The committee was formed to organize the events around the inauguration, but Racine alleges it instead “abandoned this purpose and violated District law when it wasted approximately $1 million of charitable funds in overpayment for the use of event space at the Trump hotel.”

“These charges were unreasonable and improperly served to enrich” Trump’s business, the complaint reads. He alleges that Trump and his daughter, Ivanka Trump, were likely aware of the charges, based on documents Racine subpoenaed from the committee and the Trump Organization. Racine’s lawsuit specifically targets a $1 million deal made between the committee and the Trump Organization for the ballroom during four days around the inaugural, which he alleges was a knowing waste of the nonprofit’s resources to benefit the Trumps.

Racine has litigated against other nonprofit groups in the past, including charter schools and the organization managing the Howard Theatr


After hotel management agreed to charge $175,000 per day for meeting space and to charge separately for food and beverage, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a friend of first lady Melania Trump who had previously produced the Met gala and New York’s Fashion Week, expressed alarm, writing that other properties had been offered to the committee at little or no cost.

She warned that one of the committee’s two planned events at the hotel was for the Trump family and that “when this is audited it will become public knowledge.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...4ffab6-3c90-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Always a fragile little snowflake who thinks he's the victim. Last I checked, you could pray whenever you want. So I guess now you can pray when the teacher is instructing the class?
You can tell when someone is clearly praying wrong. Read the bible first, then pray as you're supposed to.

Matthew 6:5-6
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

This bill encourages hypocrites
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Trump's posturing is very tiresome.. He probably didn't know kids could pray in school.

I swear he's dumber than dirt.

As someone who often gets dirty? I find this very offensive. Dump would need to rise through multiple levels of "better" to qualify for the lofty title of "dirt".

:)
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine sued President Trump’s inaugural committee and business Wednesday, alleging that the committee violated its nonprofit status by spending more than $1 million to book a ballroom at Trump’s D.C. hotel that its staff knew was overpriced and that it barely used.

During the lead-up to Trump’s January 2017 inauguration, the committee booked the hotel ballroom for $175,000 a day, plus more than $300,000 in food and beverage costs, over the objections of its own event planner.

The committee was formed to organize the events around the inauguration, but Racine alleges it instead “abandoned this purpose and violated District law when it wasted approximately $1 million of charitable funds in overpayment for the use of event space at the Trump hotel.”

“These charges were unreasonable and improperly served to enrich” Trump’s business, the complaint reads. He alleges that Trump and his daughter, Ivanka Trump, were likely aware of the charges, based on documents Racine subpoenaed from the committee and the Trump Organization. Racine’s lawsuit specifically targets a $1 million deal made between the committee and the Trump Organization for the ballroom during four days around the inaugural, which he alleges was a knowing waste of the nonprofit’s resources to benefit the Trumps.

Racine has litigated against other nonprofit groups in the past, including charter schools and the organization managing the Howard Theatr


After hotel management agreed to charge $175,000 per day for meeting space and to charge separately for food and beverage, Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a friend of first lady Melania Trump who had previously produced the Met gala and New York’s Fashion Week, expressed alarm, writing that other properties had been offered to the committee at little or no cost.

She warned that one of the committee’s two planned events at the hotel was for the Trump family and that “when this is audited it will become public knowledge.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...4ffab6-3c90-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

I guess we will have to just wait and see if and when this is audited and becomes public knowledge instead of relying on a news article from the WP. Not quite sure why you used this as a response to this post:
"Right to pray" would cover Muslims, Jews, and whoever else wanted to pray to whoever or whatever they pray to wouldn't it? I didn't see anywhere where it stated Christian prayers only.

Maybe if it is actually proven they can wait until closer to November before releasing the information to attempt to sway the election.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
That is your opinion, as well as mine. I wish more people shared that opinion....He still is USA president.
That is kind of amazing. That does say something about Trump, or about those who want him president

Trump has been a liar and cheat his whole life. The idea that he would change because he is POTUS is beyond crazy.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It says Trump is a skilled con man.
It says the supporters were successfully conned.
The supporters get away too easy; they are responsible themselves
You give Trump quite a bit credit using "skilled", I would rather say

Supporters let themselves be conned very easily
Trump teaches how American Dream can be "miss"used
(I can't understand any woman would vote for Trump with GT@P)
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I guess this is all they have left, it used to be entertaining but now it is just sad and cute.
I do like your below signature.
"Strive to look for the good in everyone"
D.Trump is quite a challenge to manage this, don't you think?
 
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