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Total verses in Qur'an: they fool you again!

Discussion in 'Islam DIR' started by Union, Jul 25, 2009.

  1. Union

    Union Well-Known Member

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    How many verses in total are there in the Qur’an ? A very easy question , isn’t it ? But if you just ransack a bit around this issue you will find that Muslims are too much confused on how many total verses are there in their holly scripture :confused:. To me this is as simple as to add 2+2=4 . You have the Qur’an with you for last 14 centuries unaltered and same , right and just add the numbers of the verses of the chapters , that’s all . For future reference , I am just adding them up here in this thread .

    1 Fatehah The Opening 7
    2 Baqarah The Cow 286
    3 Aal-e-Imran The Family of Imran 200
    4 Nisaa The Women 176
    5 Maidah The Table spread with foods 120
    6 Al-Anaam The Cattle 165
    7 Al-Araaf The wall with Elevations 206
    8 Al-Anfaal The Spoils of War 75
    9 Tawbah The Repentance 129
    10 Yunus The Prophet [Jonah] 109
    11 Hud The Prophet Hood 123
    12 Yusouf The Prophet [Joseph] 111
    13 Ar-Ra'ad The Thunder 43
    14 Ibrahim The Prophet [Abraham] 52
    15 Hijr The Rocky Tract 99
    16 Nahl The Bee 128
    17 Israa The Journey by Night 111
    18 Al-Kahf The Cave 110
    19 Maryam Mary (Mother of Jesus) 98
    20 Taha One of the Names of Prophet Muhammad 135
    21 Al-Anbiya The Prophets 112
    22 Al-Hajj The Pilgrimage 78
    23 Al-Muminun The Believers 118
    24 Al-Nur The Light 64
    25 Al-Farqan The Criterion 77
    26 Ash-Shu'ara The Poets 227
    27 Al-Naml The Ant 93
    28 Al-Qasas The Narration 88
    29 Al-Ankabut The Spider 69
    30 Al-Rum The Romans 60
    31 Luqman Luqman (A wise Man) 34
    32 As-Sajdah The Prostration 30
    33 Al-Ahzab The Confederates 73
    34 Al-Saba Sheba (The Queen) 54
    35 Al-Fatir The Originator of Creation 45
    36 Ya'sin One of the Names of Prophet Muhammad 83
    37 As-Saffat Those Ranged in Ranks 182
    38 Suad Arabic Alphabet 88
    39 Az-Zamar The Groups 75
    40 Al-Mumin The Forgiver/The Believer 85
    41 Hamim Sajdah In Detail 54
    42 Ash-Shura The Consultations 53
    43 Al-Aukhruf The Gold Adornment 89
    44 Al-Dukhan The Smoke 59
    45 Al-Jathiyah The Kneeling 37
    46 Al-Ahqaf The Curved-Sand Hills 35
    47 Muhammad The Prophet Muhammad 38
    48 Al-Fath The Victory 29
    49 Al-Hujurat The Dwellings 18
    50 Q'af Arabic Alphabet 45
    51 Al-Dhariyat The wind that Scatters 60
    52 Al-Tur The Name of Mountain 49
    53 Al-Najm The Star 62

    54 Al-Qamr The Moon 55
    55 Ar-Rahman The Most Gracious 78
    56 Al-Waqiah The Event 96
    57 Al-Hadid Iron 29
    58 Al-Mujadila The Disputation 22
    59 Al-Hashr The Gathering 24
    60 Al-Mumtahana The Woman to be Examined 13
    61 As-Saff The Row or The Rank 14
    62 Al-Jumah Friday 11
    63 Al-Munafiqun The Hypocrites 11
    64 Al-Taghabun Mutual Loss or Gain 18
    65 Al-Talaq The Divorce 12
    66 Al-Tahrim The Prohibition 12
    67 Al-Mulk Dominion 30
    68 Al-Qalam The Pen 52
    69 Al-Haqqah The Inevitable 52
    70 Al-Maarij The Way of Ascent 44
    71 Noah The Prophet Noah 28
    72 Al-J'nn Genie 28
    73 Al-Muzammil The One wrapped in Garment 20
    74 Al-Mudashir The One Enveloped 56
    75 Al-Qiyamah The Resurrection 40
    76 Al-Dahr The Man 31
    77 Al-Mursalat Those Sent Forth 50
    78 Al-Naba The Great News 40
    79 Al-Naziat Those Who Pull Out 46
    80 Abasa The Frowned 42
    81 Al-Takwir Wound Round and Lost its Light 29
    82 Al-Infitar The Cleaving 19
    83 Al-Mutaffafin Those Who Deal in Fraud 36
    84 Al-Inshiqaq The Splitting Asunder 25
    85 Al-Bhruj The Big Stars 22
    86 Al-Tariq The Night-Comer 17
    87 Al-A'la The Most High 19
    88 Al-Ghashiya The Overwhelming 26
    89 Al-Fajr The Break of the Day/The Dawn 30
    90 Al-Balad The City 20
    91 Ash-Shams The Sun 15
    92 Al-Lail The Night 21
    93 Al-Duha The Forenoon after Sunrise 11
    94 Al-Inshira The Opening Forth 8
    95 Al-T'in The Fig 8
    96 Al-Alaq The Clot 19
    97 Al-Qadr The Night of Decree 5
    98 Al-Beyinnah The Clear Evidence 8
    99 Al-Zilzal The Earthquake 8
    100 Al-Aadiyat Those Who Runs 11
    101 Al-Qariah The Striking Hour 11
    102 Al-Takatur The Pilling up of Emulous Desire 8
    103 Al-Asr The Time 3
    104 Al-Humazah The Slanderer 9
    105 Al-Fil The Elephant 5
    106 Al-Qureysh A Famous Arab Tribe 4
    107 Alma'un The Small Kindnesses 7
    108 Al-Kauthar A River in Paradise 3
    109 Al-Kafirun The Disbelievers 6
    110 Al-Nasr The Help 3
    111 Al-Lahab The Palm Rope 5
    112 Al-Ikhlas The Purity 4
    113 Al-Falaq The Day Break 5
    114 Al-Nas The People 6

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    Total Verses 6236

    If you add 112 ‘BismiAllah’ with it [ 1 in Fatiha and no BismiAllah in Sura Tauba added in 6236 already] , then the total comes 6236+112 = 6348 .

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    Do I look like I care?
     
  3. Union

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    Confusion over the total number of verses of the Qur’an :

    The famous number that is widely known to the people about the total number of verses of the Qur’an is 6666 . Believe me I tried a lot to dig out the source of this number but I give up . From where Muslims got this number is now a mystery to me . I do appreciate if some knowledgeable person will focus some light on the source of this number 6666 :help:. But whatsoever the source of it , there is no doubt this information is a false and a lie . In no way Qur’an’s verses can be added to 6666 . This 6666 is very closely related to number of beast 666 of the Christian scripture in the book of revelation. There must had a remote conspiracy about the Qur’an to belittle the honor of it in front of the Christian community . I remember , couple of years back when I was trying to convert a catholic woman to Islam , teaching her about Islam , after being told that there are 6666 verses in the Qur’an [At that time I was not aware of this deceit fact] , she promptly answered : ‘ Our church always tell us to refrain from those things in where the sign of beast 666 to be found ‘ .:eek:

    Beside this false number 6666 , there are other opinions among the prominent Imams of Hadiths and Tafsirs most of them never match with the real total numbers of verses in the Qur’an as shown above . Check some of them :

    01. Tafseer Al Itqan fi Uloom al Quran, Volume 1 page 84 :

    Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti has recorded a tradition from Ibn Abbas [ra] wherein he says: “The number of verses in the Quran are 6616”

    02.Al Itqan fi Uloom al Quran, Volume 1 page 84 :

    Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti whilst citing Sunni scholarly opinion from Sunni scholar Uthman bin Saeed bin Uthman Abu Amro al-Daani (d. 444 H) wrote:

    Al-Daani said: ‘They agreed that the number of verses of Quran are six thousand but they disagreed in what has been added further (to the Quran), some of them didn't add more whilst others said it was two hundred and four. Some said two hundred and fourteen, others said two hundred and nineteen. Some said two hundred and twenty five, others said two hundred and thirty six.’


    03. Tafseer Ibn Kathir, Volume 1 page 7, number of verses&Tafseer Qurtubi, Volume 1 page 65, number of verses :

    “The total number of verses Quranic verses are 6000. Disagreement remains about the remainder verses. There are various views and statements about them. One statement is that there are 6204 verses”


    Quite surprise to know the fact that though the whole Qur’an was compiled and binded in a complete hard book with all the verses in order hundreds years back , why those Imams cited different numbers instead of just adding the verses of the Qur’an . This easy task could cancel all the misleading information that they spread over centuries to confuse the Ummah and to harbor doubt in the hearts that Qur’an’s verses were added or deleted .

    Is it a deliberate mistake or a deep conspiracy against Islam ?




     
  4. A-ManESL

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    According to this site there are 5 different rules (due to nature of the Arabic language probably) of numbering the verses. Perhaps (there are more and) that is the source of this confusion.
     
  5. maro

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    Actually ,no one is confused except you...the poison you are spreading in this forum is becoming really boring....don't you have something else to sell ? :areyoucra
     
  6. .lava

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    indeed! nobody is confused about numbers of verses which by the way does not really matter cos it has no practice in daily life like "oh- Qur'an has 6667 verses so i should wake up at 3 in the morning" lol



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  7. Union

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    Salam .Yes, my mistake is I let the cat out of the bag . You traditional Muslim are praying , sleeping , eating and conducting daily affairs in the name of Islam the way those same Hadith and Tafsir writers told you to do . And when I am unmasking their true face , that seems boring to you .

    I am not confused about Islam but your human-gods made so many people confused by their conspiracy about Islam . You gave them the rank of Imams and they gave you the rank of fools because you follow them blindly . Tell any conscious non-Muslim about Qur’an and they will show all those data that how your Qur’an was corrupted. How you gonna respond to them ?

    You can’t take a medicine unless you identify what is your disease . That is what I am doing here, though it appears beyond your intelligence …..:areyoucra
     
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    Salam . Think rationally . It is not a question of daily practice rather far far important than that . It is an issue of the purity of the Qur’an . According to those Prominent Imams there are different numbers of the verses of Holly Qur’an rather than the actual one , which other way implies that Qur’an’s verses were added or deleted . Just surf around the Anti-Islamic websites and you will see how they have used these materials intensively to prove that Qur’an is corrupted . Tradition Muslims became dumb and deaf because they used those materials from the same Imams who gave the traditional Muslims the laws of Shariah through Hadiths and Tafsirs etc.

    Hope you will understand .
     
  9. .lava

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    Va Alaykum Salaam, Union. yes, i agree there is nothing missing in Qur'an. no verses were added and/or deleted. Qur'an remains in the way it is in Levhi Mahfuz, no corruption at all.



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    Salaam alaik! Main point of thread has vital role in doing dawah to non muslims. But I think it is not the good place to discuss this.

    Mistake!

    Have you ever heard that imaams have conflict among them at this point? :no:
    So no conspiracy. There is more importand point to discuss: Shia sect counts Quran in 40 paras, and they are at the conflict with other muslims that is more important issue to discuss I think!

    I appreciate your struggle for counting verses of Quran, inshallah when you spread this in a solid way then your point will be given authoritative honor. My prayers are with you brother! May ALLAH bless you,Ameen!
     
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    I merely put that in here because I wanna follow the thread.

    What I find interesting is why the verse numbering is so important in the first place..?

    I mean, did the very first copy have verse numbers?
    If not, then why the argument over how the verses are numbered?
    I mean, so long as the words were not changed, what difference does it make?
     
  14. Zindagee Rahmaan

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    Most welcome!

    It is just important in recitation and memorization. That’s why I commented to Union that is not much important issue to discuss.

    Nay! But that copy contains verses.

    I never used any arguments, I just commented! Is any thing meaningless?

    True it makes no difference! Numbering verses are just important for recitation and memorization.
     
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    OK, brother, you seem right about these numbers. i checked and found the same numbers. do you know any source that says otherwise? i remember people saying there are 6667 verses in Qur'an but i never checked it out before. yet that number stayed in my mind if it was true. so this is my personal fault if you ask me. strange thing, not surprising though.

    thank you for warning me about it



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  16. .lava

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    you're right, it does not matter considering practices cos they do not depend on numbers. yet it is very likely one of us says there are 6667 or 6666 verses in Qur'an (for example i could have cos i've never bothered to check) and some non-Muslim says that there are not and we do not know our own book. it would make one look silly. besides, wrong information remains wrong regardless if it is minor or major.



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    Why would you be so concerned over whether someone thinks you look silly?
    Is such vanity something Allah promotes?
    Are you honestly so worried what non-Muslims think that you will argue amongst yourselves over how the verses are numbered?

    Do the different translations verse out the Koran differently?
    Meaning if translation 'A' has 6667 and translation 'B' has 6666 and translation 'C' has 6665, then would not all of you be right, depending upon which translation is being referred to?

    Seems to me that if a non-Muslim thinks that quibbling over the way the Koran was numbered is a good enough argument to dismiss Islam, that you are pretty much wasting your time 'arguing' with them.
     
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    oh no, i do not mind what people think about me. this concern is only when i talk about Islam. i am obligated to give right information. so even giving the right information would make some think i am silly but that does not matter.

    there's nothing to argue about. nothing to discuss about number of verses really.

    i do not think it is possible Qur'an comes out differently but i do not know for sure. that's why i wonder if there are any sources that claims there are 6666 verses in Qur'an. i do not know any but i've heard people say that.

    no, of course a simple mistake would not make people dismiss Islam but people who already have dismissed Islam can take advantage of our ignorance. as i mentioned earlier, i've never checked how many verses are there in Qur'an and if someone asked me i'd have probably said 6667 cos that's what i've heard. this is my personal mistake. even though i do not care for numbers, it still is my bad. maybe this mistake is no important for people who does not accept Islam but i would feel sad for giving the wrong number. i am responsible for what i say.



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    How so?
    More specifically, I am looking for an example because the way I see it, if they are going to nit pick over verse numbering then they are pretty much a lost cause from get go.

    Ah.
    I think I am understanding now.

    Thank you for answering my questions.
    I appreciate it.
     
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    your welcome Mestemia, i believe you understand me :)



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