The vaccine and the booster

[Revoltingest]

So I can go with anti-Covid vaccine, that’s about it and don’t be late on your booster cause then you’d be classified as unvaccinated.

My lifestyle is such that I don't get classified at all.
Nothing I do requires it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You trust MSN more than actual highly respected
major health care providers? Oh, dear.
News people often get things wrong because they're
not experts in any field, they're often in a hurry, &
they're more likely to have a political agenda.

Lol, if you say you don't trust the media you're wrong. If you quote them you're wrong too. Impossible to be right. At least for someone who doesn't want to hear.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Liberals....do you think that I find them all that rational?
"Natural medicine" is fine if shown to have efficacy.
But being "natural" is no guarantee of that.
It can even be harmful.

It's not just a tribal thing like you said.

 

[ElishaElijah]

My lifestyle is such that I don't get classified at all.
Nothing I do requires it.

You’re a Vaxxer all the way bruv! You even mandate it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lol, if you say you don't trust the media you're wrong. If you quote them you're wrong too. Impossible to be right. At least for someone who doesn't want to hear.

I don't trust media....but this is a complex thing.
I consume sources of different agendas to get
a better picture than I'd get in an echo chamber.
Also, some info should be vetted thru non-news
sources, if there is a conflict of some sort.

You'll notice that I accomplish very little in real life.
This allows time to pursue rabbit holes.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not just a tribal thing like you said.

Tribalism is what I observe among anti-vaxers.
Once belonging, they don't budge...unless some reality
bangs'm in the snoot, eg, getting very sick with Covid 19
can be a mind altering experience...it becomes real, &
no longer just a Democrat or Big Pharma conspiracy.

 

[Revoltingest]

You’re a Vaxxer all the way bruv! You even mandate it.

I only mandate vaccination in venues where I have
that right & responsibility. I don't favor government
mandating it for all citizens.
Note that in business, I'm held legally responsible
to some extent for safety of tenants & workers.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I only mandate vaccination in venues where I have
that right & responsibility. I don't favor government
mandating it for all citizens.
Note that in business, I'm held legally responsible
to some extent for safety of tenants & workers.

Don’t matter why but you still get the title, that’s how it works.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don’t matter why but you still get the title, that’s how it works.

OK.
At least you can refuse to do business with me.
Government won't give you that option.

Do you think government should legally prohibit
me from requiring vaccination for tenants &
workers in close contract? Or am I within my rights?

 

[clara17]

Tribalism is what I observe among anti-vaxers.
Once belonging, they don't budge...unless some reality
bangs'm in the snoot, eg, getting very sick with Covid 19
can be a mind altering experience...it becomes real, &
no longer just a Democrat or Big Pharma conspiracy.

I think more people are against the mandates and the lies, than they are against vaccines.
We've heard nothing but lies every step of the way, the story keeps changing.
(just like it did with the masks, the lockdowns etc)
Do you recall when the vaccines first arrived, being told, "Hurry and get vaccinated,
it will make covid slightly less severe and/or shorten or prevent an extended hospital stay"
No, of course not.
It was presented as a cure.
It was to save lives, to prevent you and the person walking past you from dying.
What are you after all, a murderer?

Now that huge numbers of vaccinated people are getting covid just like everyone else,
we're being fed the nonsense that the purpose of all these mandates and enforcements
was that it lessens the severity.
Soon the goalpost will move again, when everyone who took a certain vaccine
(of the 100+ versions out here)
drops dead, they'l have a story ready how this was the plan all along, and you will buy it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

OK.
At least you can refuse to do business with me.
Government won't give you that option.

Do you think government should legally prohibit
me from requiring vaccination for tenants &
workers in close contract? Or am I within my rights?

For sure I’d do business with you, government should stay out of your business and how you decide to operate. You’re the one taking the risk, putting in the effort. Whether I agree with the way you run your business or not other people can do the same.
Some may think you’re discriminating in a bad way but just like a baker saying they don’t want to put a certain message on a cake, the customer can take their business down the street. It’s so easy and simple.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think more people are against the mandates and the lies, than they are against vaccines.
We've heard nothing but lies every step of the way, the story keeps changing.

I say that the CDC stepped on their own ***** when they
lied, saying masks weren't useful. They admitted later that
this was to avoid the general public depriving health care
workers (due to a run & shortage).
However, I think most people are honest....some information
does change over time...some people have good info...& some
just have bad info.

Now that huge numbers of vaccinated people are getting covid just like everyone else, we're being fed the nonsense that the purpose of all these mandates and enforcements....

The above statement is a good example of honesty, but
a mistaken presentation of a falsehood. Vaxed people
get Covid 19 differently from un-vaxed people, ie, the
latter tend to get more severe cases, & have a longer
viral load.

Again.....
There is one field that studies responses by populations
to vaccines & disease, ie, epidemiologists. They're the
best source of info for decisions about vaccination.
Ordinary doctors aren't any better than your groundskeeper.

 

[Revoltingest]

For sure I’d do business with you, government should stay out of your business and how you decide to operate. You’re the one taking the risk, putting in the effort. Whether I agree with the way you run your business or not other people can do the same.
Some may think you’re discriminating in a bad way but just like a baker saying they don’t want to put a certain message on a cake, the customer can take their business down the street. It’s so easy and simple.

This sounds like detente.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This sounds like detente.

Hold on, need to look up that word

 

[Revoltingest]

Hold on, need to look up that word

Aye, it seldom happens on RF.

 

[SomeRandom]

OK.
At least you can refuse to do business with me.
Government won't give you that option.

Do you think government should legally prohibit
me from requiring vaccination for tenants &
workers in close contract? Or am I within my rights?

Just wondering if you consider mandates appropriate for venues that necessarily deal with especially vulnerable folks.
Like for instance nursing homes, hospitals etc.

I feel like in the US as soon as you say the word “mandate” panic mode ensues. But coach it in terms of “business rights” and suddenly it becomes a matter of course.

I did notice in my country we technically have vaccine mandates, but it’s couched in terms such as “government safety regulations/requirements.”
So everyone more or less shrugs it off as businesses merely following guidelines to avoid fines.

Propaganda indeed

 

[clara17]

I say that the CDC stepped on their own ***** when they
lied, saying masks weren't useful. They admitted later that
this was to avoid the general public depriving health care
workers (due to a run & shortage).

Which I dont believe for a minute. Its a good cover, but makes no sense.
How can you lie about something that important and ever except to have credibility again? How many
people did they kill by saying not to wear masks?

(Zero probably, the arguments from experts who are opposed to masks
make far more sense than the arguments from the ones in favor. But for a mask believer
it matters not.)

The above statement is a good example of honesty, but
a mistaken presentation of a falsehood. Vaxed people
get Covid 19 differently from un-vaxed people, ie, the
latter tend to get more severe cases, & have a longer
viral load.

You dont know that, you may think the results of some study point to that,
but studies are wrong as often as they are right.
And the point was not to argue that,
it was that the lie has changed
from Lie A, to Lie B.

"Vaxed people get Covid 19 differently from un-vaxed people, ie, the latter tend to get more severe cases, & have a longer
viral load."
is not the reason people were told to get vaccinated during most of 2021. It became the reason
after vaccinated people all got covid.

Again.....
There is one field that studies responses by populations
to vaccines & disease, ie, epidemiologists. They're the
best source of info for decisions about vaccination.
Ordinary doctors aren't any better than your groundskeeper.

Epidemiologists are ignored unless they toe the line.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just wondering if you consider mandates appropriate for venues that necessarily deal with especially vulnerable folks.
Like for instance nursing homes, hospitals etc.

If I ran a nursing home, it would make sense.

I feel like in the US as soon as you say the word “mandate” panic mode ensues. But coach it in terms of “business rights” and suddenly it becomes a matter of course.

If it's a government mandate, the right screams.
If it's a business mandate, the left screams....the right too.
If libertarians scream.....no one's listening.

I did notice in my country we technically have vaccine mandates, but it’s couched in terms such as “government safety regulations/requirements.”
So everyone more or less shrugs it off as businesses merely following guidelines to avoid fines.

Propaganda indeed

I think vaccines should come under OSHA authority.
But I've problems with their over-regulation too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which I dont believe for a minute. Its a good cover, but makes no sense.
How can you lie about something that important and ever except to have credibility again? How many
people did they kill by saying not to wear masks?

Lying serves government well.
So they're accustomed to it.

You dont know that, you may think the results of some study point to that,
but studies are wrong as often as they are right.
Epidemiologists are ignored unless they toe the line.

That's excessive cynicism.
But I know that I'm in an unusual position of
being close to many in health care analytics.
This makes it easier for me to sort the wheat
from the chaff.
Besides, there's still no better source than
epidemiologists. Certainly not Presidents
or talking heads in news shows.

 

[clara17]

Lying serves government well.
So they're accustomed to it.

That's excessive cynicism.
But I know that I'm in an unusual position of
being close to many in health care analytics.
This makes it easier for me to sort the wheat
from the chaff.
Besides, there's still no better source than
epidemiologists. Certainly not Presidents
or talking heads in news shows.

Many, many epidemiologists have been vocal about their opposition
to masks, lockdowns, vaccines, and many have been banned from platforms,
lost their jobs, and none are allowed in the mainstream news, ever.