The Smear Campaigns against the Occupy Wall Street Movement

[Kathryn]

Did you know Hitler was supposedly a vegetarian and an animal lover? What does that say about vegetarians and animal lovers?

But seriously, has there ever existed an ideology, stance or movement that was completely free of unsavory characters? I remember Kathryn defending the U.S. military when it was brought up that sexual harassment/abuse/assault and cover ups thereof are seemingly a common occurrence among the ranks.
I guess we can't be consistent.

I never defended sexual harassment/abuse/assault in any form from anyone.

 

[Revoltingest]

I never defended sexual harassment/abuse/assault in any form from anyone.

I'm sure you'll be provided with a link to support the claim.
Let's wait & see.

 

[Kathryn]

Damn, I'm tired of answering all these. Don't any of you work during the day? Sheeze.

 

[Father Heathen]

I never defended sexual harassment/abuse/assault in any form from anyone.

And no one said you did.

 

[Kathryn]

And no one said you did.

OK. Here's exactly what you said:

I remember Kathryn defending the U.S. military when it was brought up that sexual harassment/abuse/assault and cover ups thereof are seemingly a common occurrence among the ranks.

This definitely implies that I defended the US military regarding sexual harassment/abuse/assault and coverups within the US military.

So I guess that's not what you meant at all? Please clarify.

 

[Father Heathen]

OK. Here's exactly what you said:



This definitely implies that I defended the US military regarding sexual harassment/abuse/assault and coverups within the US military.

So I guess that's not what you meant at all? Please clarify.

Okay, a while back there was a discussion regarding sexual harassment/assault that's apparently prevalent among those enlisted and that "the brass" tries to cover as much up as it can, and you attempted to defend the military's image by trying to distant it from the attacks, saying that a few bad eggs don't reflect upon the overall military. So I drew the parallel between that and OWS containing unsavory elements.

 

[Kathryn]

Okay, a while back there was a discussion regarding sexual harassment/assault that's apparently prevalent among those enlisted, and you attempted to defend the military's image by trying to distant it from the attacks, saying that a few bad eggs don't reflect upon the overall military. So I drew the parallel between that and OWS containing unsavory elements.

That's a pretty gross generalization regarding that earlier topic. What I actually said was that in the young, first enlistment ranks, rape and sexual assault are much more common than they are with career military personnel. I drew a parallel between young recruits that are college age and non military personnel living in dorms on college campuses. The rape/sexual assault rates between THOSE two groups are nearly identical.

My point was that it was age and the experience of being away from home and suddenly freed from parental controls that contributed significantly to the rape rates in both groups. So therefore, you can't judge career military personnel by those statistics of the younger group.

I understand your point about communists, anarchists, socialists, neonazis, etc within and outside the OWS movement not NECESSARILY representing the OWS goals as a whole . But using your example, what would you think if NAMBA and other unsavory groups began issuing statements en masse supporting rapists and sexual predators within the military? And then the military did absolutely nothing to dissuade the public from believing that it shared values and goals with these groups?

Wouldn't that at least get your attention and make you go, "Hmmmmm...?"

 

[Father Heathen]

That's a pretty gross generalization regarding that earlier topic. What I actually said was that in the young, first enlistment ranks, rape and sexual assault are much more common than they are with career military personnel. I drew a parallel between young recruits that are college age and non military personnel living in dorms on college campuses. The rape/sexual assault rates between THOSE two groups are nearly identical.

My point was that it was age and the experience of being away from home and suddenly freed from parental controls that contributed significantly to the rape rates in both groups. So therefore, you can't judge career military personnel by those statistics of the younger group.

I understand your point about communists, anarchists, socialists, neonazis, etc within and outside the OWS movement not NECESSARILY representing the OWS goals as a whole . But using your example, what would you think if NAMBA and other unsavory groups began issuing statements en masse supporting rapists and sexual predators within the military? And then the military did absolutely nothing to dissuade the public from believing that it shared values and goals with these groups?

Wouldn't that at least get your attention and make you go, "Hmmmmm...?"

First, tell us why we should be alarmed by anarchists, socialist and communist (assuming all are all law abiding) being a part of OWS? They might have some disagreeable viewpoints, but nothing as remotely repugnant as racism.

As for the Nazis, who exactly is welcoming them with open arms, and what figures are suppose to publicly denounce their presence on behalf of OWS? I've tried to find some info on the nazi deal but all I could find was rightwing blogs trying to suggest that the endorsement of some obscure fringe group somehow reflected upon the whole movement.

 

[Kathryn]

First, tell us why we should be alarmed by anarchists, socialist and communist (assuming all are all law abiding) being a part of OWS? They might have some disagreeable viewpoints, but nothing as remotely repugnant as racism.

Some people are just as repulsed by the communism, anarchy, and socialist agendas as they are by racism. Many people find the ramifications of these philosophies and political systems just as troubling as a racist mindset.

As for the Nazis, who exactly is welcoming them with open arms, and what figures are suppose to publicly denounce their presence on behalf of OWS? I've tried to find some info on the nazi deal but all I could find was rightwing blogs trying to suggest that the endorsement of some obscure fringe group somehow reflected upon the whole movement

American Nazi Party - ANP Reports

 

[Father Heathen]

Some people are just as repulsed by the communism, anarchy, and socialist agendas as they are by racism. Many people find the ramifications of these philosophies and political systems just as troubling as a racist mindset.

Likewise with capitalism.

American Nazi Party - ANP Reports

I found nothing there that answered my questions.

 

[Kathryn]

Likewise with capitalism.



I found nothing there that answered my questions.

I thought you were asking for info about the "nazi deal" so I gave you some straight from the horse's mouth.

Of course, the Nazi Party is about as right wing as you can get. I guess we're both sort of right, or sort of wrong, depending on how oppositional you want to be at this point.

 

[Father Heathen]

I thought you were asking for info about the "nazi deal" so I gave you some straight from the horse's mouth.

I wasn't doubting their approval of OWS. I was questioning the suggestion that they were receiving hugs and high fives all around from everyone participating in the movement.

 

[Kathryn]

I wasn't doubting their approval of OWS. I was questioning the suggestion that they were receiving hugs and high fives all around from everyone participating in the movement.

I never said that or implied it though - so...seems we're quibbling at this point.

 

[Storm]

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