I haven’t found that to be the case.
You haven't found that every version of Christianity, plus non-Christian religions that came after, all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible?
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I haven’t found that to be the case.
Read the passages below and you should see that Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David.
You haven't found that every version of Christianity, plus non-Christian religions that came after, all claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible?
There are many, equally evidenced, equally plausible scenarios.Love the feathered serpent.
As long as Loki stays bound til Ragnarok we should be ok.
So prediction is a mechanism?It happens as per prophecy, many are called and few are chosen. The few build the kingdom to come.
So reality and objective fact changes?Religion is also progressive, evolutionary.
The word everyone is the Issue.
I am not aware of any Baha'i that thinks they have the right interpretation, or that they are able to interpret the Bible.
I thought He was coming in the clouds.It says everyone will see Him but I don't know where it says we will all see Him come down.
You're supporting your case by quoting folklore, again.If you still believe that Jesus is now an invisible spirit only, as the JWs believe, then you need to change the meaning of scriptures. So you would not believe every eye will see Him (Rev 1) and you would not believe He comes the same way the disciples saw Him ascend (Acts 1) or probably even that He would come in the clouds.
But don't the teachings of The Silmarillion disagree; and the Marduk Prophecy paints a whole different picture, as well. How would you counter these?Read the passages below and you should see that Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David.
It sounds sensible to believe what the Bible tells us about the return of Jesus and not someone who comes and claims to be the return of Christ and says "Trust me, the scriptures in the Bible about the return of Christ do not mean what they say, let me tell you what they mean".
John 1:28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Rev 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?"
3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside.
5 Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
7 He came and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.
8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."
11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders.
12 In a loud voice they sang: "Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!"
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!"
14 The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.
So prediction is a mechanism?
So reality and objective fact changes?
I see reality as identical to the reality that existed before the Sun coalesced or Earth formed.I would say predictions are part of the process that we can use to validate the evidence. So it would be a mechanism we can use to apply justice, using logic and reasoning.
I see reality is relative to our state of mind, and does change as we discover more and more. This is why one can embrace or reject a Messenger of God, as it depends on ones chosen frames of references and their current state of mind.
Most likely a topic that can have any tangents.
Regards Tony
And yet the New Testament repeatedly says his return will be visible:
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:30-31
They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11
Look! He is coming with the clouds;
every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and on his account all the tribes of the earth will wail. Revelation 1:7
If you still believe that Jesus is now an invisible spirit only, as the JWs believe, then you need to change the meaning of scriptures..................
I know people have been claiming Jesus would be coming back for hundreds of years, and so far no show.
Thank you for your thought-out reply. An inquiring mind wants to know.
I'll start with John 14:19 because Jesus said the world would behold him No more. (see Jesus no more)
Resurrected Jesus became invisible by the cloud cover at Acts of the Apostles 1:9-11
See with the mind's eye (understand) by what is going on.
See because of Jesus' great power and glory (at Jesus' coming Glory Time found at Matthew 25:31-34)
Great power as in action described at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15; Mark 13:26
P.S. the soldiers that pierced Jesus are still sleeping in the grave til Resurrection Day - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Hello Eddi, The Second Comming Of Christ: Matthew 24:27-31, Parable Of The Fig Tree: Matthew 24:32-35, Illustration Of The Days Of Noah: Matthew 24:36-44, Illustration Of The Two Servants: Matthew 24:45-51.Question: What do we know about the second coming of Jesus Christ?
I've done some study and have found out what The Bible tells us about this issue
Maybe there are other passages about this?
If you can think of any please share!
Many people have claimed to be Jesus Christ returned
Such as Inri Cristo in Brazil
There is a rich tradition of people claiming to be Jesus:
Indeed there is a long list of them available on Wikipedia
The bible explicitly warns against people who claim to be Jesus:
Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Scripture is clear that when Jesus returns he will not be born again as a baby and then grow up into an adult
Which is what all Jesus claimants claim
It will be The Second Coming of Jesus Christ - not the coming of Jesus Christ II
It will not be a reincarnation, it will be a return!
It clearly says that he will descend down from Heaven in much the same way as he ascended, in a way that will be universally observed, by all humankind.
Basically, he will come in such a way that cannot be faked, once it happens there will be no uncertainty that it is Jesus returning:
Matthew 24:30
Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.Clearly everyone will be aware he has returned once he's returned. It will be a spectacular public event nobody will miss
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.Clearly states that he will "come down from Heaven", rather than being born again as a baby
No matter how otherwise convincing a Jesus claimant may be, if they don't come down from Heaven publicly then they aren't Jesus
The bible tells us the manner of his return
The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus came in secret in 1914
However:
Matthew 24:26
So if anyone tells you, “There he is, out in the desert,” do not go out; or, “Here he is, in the inner rooms,” do not believe it.Basically, this is a warning against listening to people who believe he has come in secret, in such a way that nobody knows he has come - this is consistent with Matthew 24:30 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16
It also warns us about listening to people who misrepresent Christ:
The Bible also tells us that it is impossible for us to ever know when exactly Jesus will return so any prophecy as to when it will happen cannot be true:
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
What else do we know about the second coming?
Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
As long as we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past. When Christ first appeared the high priests claimed that they knew the scriptures and that He was not the messiah. Today Christians have the exact same attitude claiming they know their scriptures and could not possibly miss Him even though He said to watch and pray as He was going to come like a thief in the night.
He would not have instructed Christians to watch and pray if He was coming physically riding a cloud for all to see.
As Scripture believes, Jesus is a resurrected Spirit Person - Hebrews 9:24; Revelation 3:12 - www.jw.org
The Bab was also a Lamb, but also a Elijah and a Messenger.
I don't think that when he ascended 2000 years ago, that the fact was universally observed.It clearly says that he will descend down from Heaven in much the same way as he ascended, in a way that will be universally observed, by all humankind.
I don't think that when he ascended 2000 years ago, that the fact was universally observed.
In the same way, his descent from Heaven on his Return may also not be universally observed.
I think it should be sufficient that if he can convince a majority of people that he is indeed the Christ and has descended from Heaven, that should be sufficient to assure us of his authenticity. There will of course be some (or even many) who will never believe.