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The Reality Of Hell

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Earthling, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson

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    The English Word Hell
    The old English word hell comes from helan, and means to cover or conceal. Similar words coming from the same root have a similar meaning.
    Hill for example is a mound of dirt or stone that covers the level surface of earth. Hull is the covering of a nut or the covered part of a ship. Heal is the covering of a wound. Hall is a building space which is used to cover people or goods. Hole is an uncovering.
    In the early days to hell potatoes meant to cover them, as to store them in a cellar or underground. To hel a house meant to cover a portion of it with tile. The term heling a house is still used in the New England portions of the United States.
    At first the use of hell had no pagan meaning to it. It was simply used as the common grave of man. To go to hell in the old English language meant simply that one was dead and buried. It was in Germany and England that the word began to evolve into the pagan unscriptural meaning of eternal punishment.
    Poor Translation
    The original meaning of the word hell is not so much a poor translation of the Hebrew sheohl (English Transliteration sheol) and the Greek Haides (English transliteration hades), however, as the word has evolved into a pagan meaning the modern day translation of hell is misleading.
    The Catholic Douay Version translates sheohl as hell 64 times and once as death. The King James Version translates sheohl 31 times as hell, 31 times as grave and 3 times as pit.
    This is common in older translations as well, such as is used by the English Revised Version (1885) where sheohl is transliterated in many cases but most of the occurrences were translated as grave, or pit. Hell being used 14 times. The American Standard Version (1901) transliterated sheohl in all 65 occurrences and haides in all ten of its occurrences, though the Greek word Geenna (English Gehenna) is translated hell.
    The Hebrew Sheohl
    The Hebrew word sheohl is the unseen resting place of the dead. It is not to be mistaken for the Hebrew words for individual burial place ( qever - Judges 16:31 ), grave ( qevurah - Genesis 35:20 ), or individual tomb ( gadhish - Job 21:32 ) but rather the common grave of all mankind whatever the form of burial might be.
    The Greek teaching of the immortality of the human soul and hell began to infiltrate Jewish teachings probably around the time of Alexander The Great. The Bible itself, however, is in stark contrast to the teachings of pagan origin regarding the soul, which is not immortal ( Ezekiel 18:4 ) and therefore can't suffer forever in hell. The Bible also teaches that there is no consciousness in hell. ( Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 ).
    Sheol corresponds with the Greek Haides, both being the unseen resting place of the dead. It is not a place of fire, but of darkness ( Job 10:21 ) a place of silence ( Psalm 115:17 ) rather than a place filled with tortured screams.
    The Greek Haides
    The Greek word Haides corresponds to the Hebrew Sheohl as is indicated by the apostle Peter's reference to Psalm 16:10 at Acts 2:27-31 where Jesus had fulfilled David's prophecy that Jesus would not be left in hell. Likewise Jesus himself said that like Jonah, he would spend three days in hell. ( Jonah 1:17 - Jonah 2:2 / Matthew 12:40 )
    The Greek word Haides occurs 10 times in the Christian Greek scriptures. ( Matthew 11:23 / Matthew 16:18 / Luke 10:15 / Luke 16:23 / Acts 2:27 / Acts 2:31 / Revelation 1:18 / Revelation 6:8 / Revelation 20:13 / Revelation 20:14 ).
    It means the unseen place. In ten of the occurrences of haides it is in reference to death. It is not to be confused with the Greek word for grave ( taphos ), tomb ( mnema ) or memorial tomb ( mnemeion ), but is rather the common resting place of the dead. The place of death.
    Jesus also uses haides at Matthew 11:23 and Luke 10:15 in a figurative way to indicate the debasement of Capernaum compared to heaven.
    Also see The Rich Man And Lazarus below.
    The Greek Gehenna
    Unlike the Hebrew sheohl and the Greek haides, there is really no excuse for mistaking the Greek Geenna (Hebrew Geh Hinnom - English Transliteration Gehenna) with the notion of any hell, either the old English word meaning covered or the pagan hell of today's Christianity.
    The Christian Greek Gehenna is a literal place - a valley that lies South and South-West of ancient Jerusalem. It is the modern day Wadi er-Rababi ( Ge Ben Hinnom ), a deep, narrow valley that today is a peaceful and pleasant valley, unlike the surrounding dry and rocky terrain, and most certainly unlike the pagan / apostate Christian hell.

    [Image of the Actual Valley Of Gehenna today missing: may be added later.]

    In the days of unfaithful Kings Manasseh and Ahaz idolatrous worship of the pagan god Baal was conducted in the place which was then known as Geh Hinnom, ( the valley of Hinnom ) including human sacrifices to fire. It is ironic that the pagan custom burning in fire would have so clearly infiltrated the Christian teachings, considering that this practice was a detestable thing to Jehovah God, and his prophets spoke of a time when this place would be turned into a defiled and desolate place. ( 2 Chronicles 28:1-3 / 2 Chronicles 33:1-6 / Jeremiah 7:31-32 / Jeremiah 32:35 ).
    The prophecy was fulfilled in the days of faithful King Josiah, who had the place, especially the area known as Topeth polluted into a refuse heap. ( 2 Kings 23:10 )
    So it was that in the days of Jesus and the early Christian congregations, that the valley was known as a literal place where the carcasses of criminals and animals were thrown, having no hope for resurrection. The refuse there was kept burning with sulphur, which is abundant in the area. When Jesus used Gehenna as a figurative - a symbolic reference to the spiritually dead the people in the area knew what he was talking about.
    The Greek Tartarus
    The Greek word Tartarus is found only once in scripture, at 2 Peter 2:4. It is often mistranslated as hell. Tartarus in the Christian Greek scriptures refers to a condition of debasement, unlike the pre-Christian pagan tartarus ( Homer's Iliad ) which is a mythological prison.
    Peter refers to the angels who in the time of Noah foresook thier original positions and became men in order to have relations with the women of earth. The result was their offspring being giants, the Nephilim, who caused so much trouble God had to bring forth the flood. ( Genesis 6:1-4 / Ephesians 6:10-12 / Jude 1:6 ).
    It is interesting that this verse is often mistranslated because when Jesus was resurrected from Sheol / Hades ( Hell in some translations ) on earth, he first went to tartarus - that is to say the disobedient angels whom had been lowered in position - who happened to be in heaven. This means that if you don't understand the mistranslation you would see Jesus go to hell on earth and then hell in heaven.
    The Pagan Hell
    The Pagan teaching of hell was adopted by the apostate Christian church. Today's thinking of hell comes more from Dante's Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, but the teaching of hellfire is much older than the English word hell or Dante and Milton. It comes from Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs of a nether world. A place where gods and demons of great strength and fierceness presided over the damned.
    Ancient Egyptian beliefs considered the Other World to be a place of pits of fire for the damned though they didn't think this lasted forever.
    Islamic teaching considers hell as a place of everlasting punishment. Hindus and Buddhists think of hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration.
    Separation From God
    Hell ( as is often translated from the Hebrew Sheohl ) can't be a separation from God, since God is in effect there - it is in front of him. He watches sheol for the time when the dead shall be resurrected. ( Proverbs 15:11 / Psalm 139:7-8 / Amos 9:1-2 )
    Lazarus And The Rich Man - Luke 16:19-31
    Jesus often taught people in a way which was easy for them to grasp. One way of doing this is through parables, or illustration. They are stories, which are not meant to be taken as literal accounts. Such is the case with the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Notice that the Rich man is buried in hades. If this account is to be taken literally then the Bible would contradict itself with all of the information being given in this post, but lets not leave it up to what may be thought to be my own personal interpretation.
    Let it also be known that if this account is to be taken literally then that would make Jesus a liar. How so? How could Lazarus be at the bosom of Abraham in heaven when Jesus had already said that no man had ascended to heaven other than himself? ( John 3:13 )
    The Lake Of Fire
    The lake of fire is sometimes referred to as hell. This isn't even worth mentioning in my opinion because the lake of fire is obviously a symbolic reference to everlasting destruction. Since hell itself is cast into the lake of fire along with death and Satan, all of this ties up rather nicely in that Adam's sin brought death. Had Adam not sinned therefore he wouldn't have died. Jesus takes away sin so the meek shall inherit the earth and live forever upon it. Death will be no more. Sin will be no more. Hell ( the common grave of mankind ) will be no more and Satan will be no more.
     
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    Where did you copy this from?
     
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    Copy? I wrote this. Actually, I wrote it on my own message board and it is also included in an upcoming portion of my website. I could give you the link but that isn't allowed at this, the early stages of my involvement on this particular message board.

    The information is not original. It is taught in many factions of even Christendom. The original post included references from various respected sources but it was too long. I had to cut it.

    If you ask a Catholic what is hell they would disagree with the post. Interestingly, one of the references which I had to omit was from the Catholic Encyclopedia. It will actually tell you what I have told you. Which is that hell is a Pagan misunderstanding.

    Have I answered your question?
     
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    good post , many dont know what the word hell really means, and they are misled by so called religious leaders down through time. it seems that these so called religious leaders have a lot to answer for
     
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    The simple definition of hell as the Lord God Jesus Christ teaches today is,

    HELL will be a planet of fire and boiling water to be formed by the merger of all exploded heavenly bodies, seen and unseen by naked eye, in the whole of the universe, including our very own planet earth which will be the last one to merge, which will occur in the Second Coming of the Lord God Jesus Christ - planet hell for the unsaved ones. This will be the reality of HELL when Jesus physically and visibly returns here on earth again.
     
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    the litral planet earth will never be destroyed as the bible tells us, Gods purpose for this earth will prove to be . accurate understanding of the bible and his purposes brings hope and great blessings for the earth, and the cutting-off of those who dont want to be a part of that wonderful promise for the earth, is a choice that they themselves will make.


    Earth will never be destroyed Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69​


    or depopulated
    A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
    For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else



    (Psalm 104:5) He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.​



    (Psalm 119:90) Your faithfulness is for generation after generation. You have solidly fixed the earth, that it may keep standing


    Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69
    God will eliminate present system of things in the battle at Har-magedon Rev. 16:14, 16; Zeph. 3:8;

    Dan. 2:44; Isa. 34:2; 55:10, 11​






     
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    See http://what-the-hell-is-hell.com/ If you and they are right, I'll go to 'hell,' so long as I don't have to pay for the plane ticket. :)
     
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    we all go to hell ,we are all in a dying state . even Jesus went to hell for a little while , then he was resurrected by his Father Jehovah God, he was not in the tomb for long . not like we are . Hell is the commmon grave of mankind and death is the price that Adam payed for his rebellion, but no worries Jesus has payed the price and now we have the chance of everlasting life
    For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord. romans 6;23
     
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    JW do not believe in eternal and spiritual hell after the second coming of the Lord, don't you? Anyone who dies unsaved is just like a bursting bubble with you without any spirit to be tormented in hell, am I right in saying this?
     
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    Ecclesiasties 9:5 - the dead are conscious of nothing at all.

    this ties into the orginal post.

    There is no such thing as hell as in a fiery tormenting place where you burn for all eternity

    Sheol or hades are the names and they mean the 'common grave of mankind"

    DEATH

    that is our penalty for sinning is DEATH

    we DO NOT suffer forever. We simply go back to what we started as nothing
     
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    Have you ever investigated Zoroastrian ideas of the afterlife? I suspect it would be worth your while.
     
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    There really is little biblical support for the idea of a place of eternal torment. The idea really was pushed in the Xian church to literally scare people into being believers.

    The iddea that a god could exist that was such a monster that it would torture people eternally really is abhorent.
     
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