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The Rapture Will Never Occur

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Jistyr, May 2, 2007.

  1. Wandered Off

    Wandered Off Sporadic Driveby Member

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    Are you suggesting that the rest of the people on the planet will be subjected to plagues and other harsh judgments all in an attempt to get one small group of people to believe something?
     
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    You are correct in your description of the Second Coming, however some would even take it a step further and add another (second rapture) prior to Christ's second coming.

    What do you think about a second rapture, or does this event happen at Christ's second coming, when Christ sets up his kindom on the earth..

    We need a seperate thread to discuss the rapture.

    This has been on my heart the last day or two...
     
  3. Jistyr

    Jistyr Inquisitive Youngin'

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    Being as uninformed as I am, I must say, I'm glad there wasn't some gaping hole in my claim. :woohoo:
     
  4. bradleykavin

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    The origins of the doctrine of the rapture are hotly debated. The Orthodox, mainline Protestant, and Roman Catholic churches, which represent the majority of Christians worldwide, have no tradition of such a teaching and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers[1] and in part because they do not interpret the scriptures the way that Rapture-believers do.
     
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    if one chooses to believe in the idea of the rapture that is fine. I have yet to understand, why god, being so mighty, would take only a portion of his creations (humans) into some divine location of space-time and leave the remaining people of earth to die or suffer? Not to mention, have we considered life on other planets? We must explore this idea in the big picture. The universe is way to big to only consider earth..
     
  6. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    It is not just different denominations. There are pre tribbers, mid tribbers, post tribbers, people who believe the words literally as well as symbolically. The Anti-Christ and the mark of the beast are some common ground for most people who read the book of Revelations of John the divine.
     
  7. FFH

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    Yes, you were right on, I have a link to confirm this, but can't seem to find it yet...

    The term rapture was first used, by this young woman, to describe this event, which see saw and experienced in her dream..
     
  8. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    Yes I am. If you refuse the mark and asked to be saved, there is hope for you as well.

    If you see things not of this world, you might do well to check out what will happen next. It is all in the book of Revelations (the last book in the bible). It will not be blind faith time then. If you see, then read and see things come to pass, you might look at things differently.
     
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    Wandered Off Sporadic Driveby Member

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    Seems to me God could have thought of a better way that didn't involve victimizing others.
     
  10. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    This annoys me.

    I think it would be great to have a chip implanted in our hands so that we could go shopping then just run our hand over a scanner to pay.
    No more cash, no more pin numbers. Easy peasy.

    But this won't happen because of all these paranoid rapturists calling it the Mark of the Beast, that's my only grievance.
     
  11. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    What if I am wrong. Do you really want people to be able to see all your financial dealings? Cash has some advantages some times.
     
  12. lunamoth

    lunamoth Will to love

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    You've got something to hide? :D
     
  13. Reverend Rick

    Reverend Rick Frubal Whore
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    LOL, not at the moment. If I ever did want to keep something secret, I can appreciate the advantages cash has to offer.
     
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    lunamoth Will to love

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    Rick, you now have 666 posts!

    BTW, we now have one world government in the Corporations, and most transactions are done with credits cards that have our name on them.
     
  15. FFH

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    Wow, that was werid.

    Truly these things will come to pass..

    I have thoroughly studied this subject and Rev Rick has a good working knowledge of the end time events, best synopsis I have seen so far, although we paint a more horrific end time painting than may actually occur.

    God is merciful to his children and will not allow those who love him to pass through more than they can handle..
     
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    It's hard for a supposed Jesus to come back a second time, when he never came the first.
     
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    Rapture​
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    The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord "in the air." The word "rapture" is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word "rapture" does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.
     
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    1 Cor. 15:50, RS: "I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
     
  19. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    How anyone can come up with the Rapture doctrine from that verse is beyond me. To do so requires completely ignoring the preceding couple of verses, because the Rapture (certainly as originally proposed - I know there are various other versions nowadays) was supposed to come before the Trinbulation to save 'true believers from it, yet 1 Thessalonians clearly puts the catching up of those alive after the General Resurrection (and so clearly after the Tribulation), as you can see (emphasis mine):

    For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

    Of course, you could claim that there is not one but two resurrections (one pre-Trib for Christians another post-Trib for the rest) and not just a Second Coming but a Third (again one pre- and one post-Trib) but that just opens another can of worms. It's just utterly impossible to reconcile Margaret MacDonald's extra-scriptural 'revelations' with Scripture.

    James
     
  20. Harvster

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    Hope the people that translated the bible into Latin didn't read that.;)

    BTW the lady's name was [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Margaret Macdonald.[/SIZE][/FONT]
     
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