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The Rapture Will Never Occur

Jistyr

Inquisitive Youngin'
The Rapture itself is a very pleasant concept for most Christians, for they have this belief that no matter how hectic life gets, in only a few years at some surprising time, Jesus will return and all the 'good Christians' will go straight to heaven. They will disappear while all others are left on this world, cold and alone.

But when you crack down to it, the Rapture actually isn't real. Why?
Not because it doesn't make sense or have evidential truth, but because of how and when it was actually added to the Bible.

The Rapture was added to the Bible in the 1800s after a young girl had a dream. Yes, a dream. Her dream was interpreted to come up with the concept of the Rapture, and the most absurd part is people believed it and added it to the Bible!

It was a young girls dream! If my dreams were taken so literally, then the world would be one odd and ridiculous place. When something as minuscule as a dream is then transformed into a concept one must realize that the Rapture will truly never happen.

And I first was given light of this through a program on the History channel, I don't remember the name, but I shall find an article to prove that I'm not snowballing an idiotic idea.

Of all the things that could be possible from the Bible, the Rapture, which wasn't even there originally, has the least chance of happening, and I think its safe to say that it never will.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Hahahaha!

Jistyr,

Where did you hear this fairy-tale?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
The word "rapture" I believe is taken from 1 Thess 4.17:


BNT 1 Thessalonians 4:17
e;peita h`mei/j oi` zw/ntej oi` perileipo,menoi a[ma su.n auvtoi/j a`rpaghso,meqa evn nefe,laij eivj avpa,nthsin tou/ kuri,ou eivj ave,ra\ kai. ou[twj pa,ntote su.n kuri,w| evso,meqaÅ

ESV 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.


a`rpa,zw steal, carry off, drag away, take or snatch away Mt 12:29; J 10:12, 28f; Jd 23; tear out Mt 13:19. Of the Holy Spirit or other divine agency catch up, carry away Ac 8:39; 2 Cor 12: 2, 4; Rv 12:5. Perh. seize or claim for oneself Mt 11:12.

"Raptured" seems like a perfectly good translation of a`rpa,zw in 1 Thess 4.17. I don't agree with the "rapture" theology, either as presented by dispensationalists or other wackos, but it's not a translation problem. It's an interpretation problem.
 

Jistyr

Inquisitive Youngin'
Ah, I've heard this "fairy-tale" in a number of places, but I'll try and find something concrete to better prove my point. I have no doubt the Rapture is in the Bible and the added portion I want to say is called the Book of Revelations. I think that is it, but don't call me out on that one.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Ah, I've heard this "fairy-tale" in a number of places, but I'll try and find something concrete to better prove my point. I have no doubt the Rapture is in the Bible and the added portion I want to say is called the Book of Revelations. I think that is it, but don't call me out on that one.

OK. I've never heard this one before, but it is funny.

The whole Rapture theology is a new heresy in Christianity, and I believe that you've captured approximately when it was introduced (I'm thinking late 1800's, but memory could betray me).:beach:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Ah, I've heard this "fairy-tale" in a number of places, but I'll try and find something concrete to better prove my point. I have no doubt the Rapture is in the Bible and the added portion I want to say is called the Book of Revelations. I think that is it, but don't call me out on that one.

This is the part that bothers me, though:

The Rapture was added to the Bible in the 1800s

Do you really mean to say this?

Do you think that the Church went to the Greek manuscripts and added the word translated "rapture" after a girl in modern times had a dream? :eek:

Or do you mean to say that the rapture heresy - that is, all the little goodies added to it by dispensationalists in modern times - was added in the 19th century (approximately) because a girl had a dream?

The latter seems far more likely.:p
 

bible truth

Active Member
The Rapture itself is a very pleasant concept for most Christians, for they have this belief that no matter how hectic life gets, in only a few years at some surprising time, Jesus will return and all the 'good Christians' will go straight to heaven. They will disappear while all others are left on this world, cold and alone.

But when you crack down to it, the Rapture actually isn't real. Why?
Not because it doesn't make sense or have evidential truth, but because of how and when it was actually added to the Bible.

The Rapture was added to the Bible in the 1800s after a young girl had a dream. Yes, a dream. Her dream was interpreted to come up with the concept of the Rapture, and the most absurd part is people believed it and added it to the Bible!

It was a young girls dream! If my dreams were taken so literally, then the world would be one odd and ridiculous place. When something as minuscule as a dream is then transformed into a concept one must realize that the Rapture will truly never happen.

And I first was given light of this through a program on the History channel, I don't remember the name, but I shall find an article to prove that I'm not snowballing an idiotic idea.

Of all the things that could be possible from the Bible, the Rapture, which wasn't even there originally, has the least chance of happening, and I think its safe to say that it never will.

The rapture or modern day end times view is a relatively new in the Christian Church. There are actually four major views on eschatology (end times). I personally reject the "Left Behind" or "Rapture" view. I believe the other 3 views have greater biblical support. However, I believe there is not enough written in the Bible to be dogmatic on this topic. - BT
 

bible truth

Active Member
This is the part that bothers me, though:



Do you really mean to say this?

Do you think that the Church went to the Greek manuscripts and added the word translated "rapture" after a girl in modern times had a dream? :eek:

Or do you mean to say that the rapture heresy - that is, all the little goodies added to it by dispensationalists in modern times - was added in the 19th century (approximately) because a girl had a dream?

The latter seems far more likely.:p

Did we really agree on something? ;)
 

des

Active Member
The rapture is a rather strange interpretation of a single Bible verse, and not believed by most even fundamentalists. I think it was started by Darby in the 1920s and popularized by "The Late Great Planet Earth" and the "Left Behind" series, and if it wasn't for these fiction books it never would have gathered much momentum.

I think some Christians are comforted by the idea that they will be spared by the great tumult of the end times (which is itself a metaphorical piece of writing, but I digress).
The end times under some dramas is such a horrendous thing that they imagine this scheme that God will somehow spare them. After all, Christians shouldn't have to go thru bad times.

--des
 

may

Well-Known Member
As in the case of faithful early Christians, death as a human is necessary for them to be united with Christ in heaven.—Romans 8:17, 35-39. those who are going to heaven to rule with Jesus christ will first have to die . we will not litrally see people going up to heaven , most of the 144,000 who are going to rule with christ in heaven are already up there , and those ones who are living right now in Jesus PRESENCE will first have to die , then they will be resurrected with a spirit body to live in heaven with Jesus . the resurrection started in 1914 when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14. and those who were sleeping indeath were resurrected to heaven . we have been living in Jesus PRESENCE or PAROUSIA since 1914 and those who are alive now who are part of the little flock going to heaven ,will first have to die . and then they will meet the Lord . understanding just what the parousia is all about clears things up for us as to our understanding about those who are going to heaven .
Jesus royal presence began in 1914,
we are now deep into this world’s "time of the end." (Daniel 12:4)
what a joy it will be to live under God’s Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ and his corulers, who will have been ‘caught away to meet the Lord’ by being resurrected to life in the heavenly realm!
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
The rapture is a rather strange interpretation of a single Bible verse, and not believed by most even fundamentalists. I think it was started by Darby in the 1920s and popularized by "The Late Great Planet Earth" and the "Left Behind" series, and if it wasn't for these fiction books it never would have gathered much momentum.

I think some Christians are comforted by the idea that they will be spared by the great tumult of the end times (which is itself a metaphorical piece of writing, but I digress).
The end times under some dramas is such a horrendous thing that they imagine this scheme that God will somehow spare them. After all, Christians shouldn't have to go thru bad times.

--des

The dream story is actually not too far off the mark. John Darby was indeed, via the Plymouth Brethren, responsible for popularising the idea (though this was in the 1830s, not 1920s) but the original source of the idea wasn't the Bible at all, it was the visions, accepted by Darby, of a woman called Margaret MacDonald who, if memory serves, was actually ill at the time.

The OP is a little peculiar because, obviously, nothing was actually added to the Bible in the 1830s. What did happen was that the Plymouth Brethren started trying to find Biblical support for Darby's favourite new idea and then, once they'd 'found' it, started popularising it amongst a certain subsection of Protestants.

Personally, I find the idea dangerous and repulsive in its sectarian triumphalism and utterly without any foundation in either Scripture or Tradition, so I do have to agree completely with the title of this thread.

James
 

may

Well-Known Member
The dream story is actually not too far off the mark. John Darby was indeed, via the Plymouth Brethren, responsible for popularising the idea (though this was in the 1830s, not 1920s) but the original source of the idea wasn't the Bible at all, it was the visions, accepted by Darby, of a woman called Margaret MacDonald who, if memory serves, was actually ill at the time.

The OP is a little peculiar because, obviously, nothing was actually added to the Bible in the 1830s. What did happen was that the Plymouth Brethren started trying to find Biblical support for Darby's favourite new idea and then, once they'd 'found' it, started popularising it amongst a certain subsection of Protestants.

Personally, I find the idea dangerous and repulsive in its sectarian triumphalism and utterly without any foundation in either Scripture or Tradition, so I do have to agree completely with the title of this thread.

James
very true .
 

FFH

Veteran Member
The Rapture was added to the Bible in the 1800s after a young girl had a dream. Yes, a dream. Her dream was interpreted to come up with the concept of the Rapture, and the most absurd part is people believed it and added it to the Bible!
This is actually based on a true account. So you are correct Jistyl.

I forget her name, however, but yes she did have a dream about the "catching away of the saints from this earth" which is an event clearly spoken of by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24, by John in Revelation and by Daniel in Daniel...

The catching away of the saints, spoken of in scripture, was given a name by this young woman to describe this glorious event. She is responsible for coining the term "rapture" to describe this event...

The first resurrection/catching away/rapture will occur midway through the last 7 years of this earth's existence, which is spoken of in Daniel by Daniel....

Daniel speaks of a final 7 years when Israel will be persecuted by the world, until the end...

3 1/2 years into this tribulation of Israel Christ will call forth his saints into the clouds of heaven..

I believe the 7 year period spoken of by Daniel started in the year 2006 in the fall and will continue until 2013 until the fall...

If you add 3 1/2 years to the fall of 2006 it would put the first resurrection/catching away of the saints of God into heaven sometime in the spring of 2010. We don't know the day or the hour, but there is nothing in scripture that suggest we cannot know the times (year) and seasons (month).

Could this be the time of the rapture, which is a Biblically sound doctrine ?
 

FFH

Veteran Member
This event, spoken of in scripture, which this woman had a dream about filled her soul with joy and she needed a term to describe what she saw and experienced.

Rapture

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rapture

1- Ecstatic joy or delight; joyful ecstasy.
2- The carrying of a person to another place or sphere of existence.
3- The experience, anticipated by some fundamentalist Christians, of meeting Christ midway in the air upon his return to earth.
4- The act of carrying off.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
The word "rapture" is NOT in the bible. There is so much confusion about the end times. The final seven years is called the tribulation period. During this 7 years there are going to be 21 judgements upon the earth in exact order. There are other predictions as well. The whole idea behind these prophecies is to get the jewish people to believe Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah.

You will know that you are half way through the tribulation period when Israel signs a 7 year peace agreement. When terrible apocalyptic plague's befall the earth, people will hear of the prophecy and will read what happens next. No book that is not from divine inspiration could predict so many things that have never happened before on earth.

144,000 Jews will come to Christ during this period.

Another big mistake people make is when Jesus comes for the Christians, that is not the second coming, or judgement day. He will appear in the clouds and the children and those in fellowship with him will be taken up and spared the terrible plagues that will torment the inhabitants of the earth.

The second coming is at the end of the tribulation period.

When you see a one world government with one world currency and no one can buy or sell without taking a mark on their hand or forehead, this is some of the prophecy. The one world leader will be the Anti-Christ and this person will be killed and come back to life three days later.

If you see these things come to pass, especially a bunch of Christians and children disappear you might want to read about what will happen next in the last book of the bible.

Don't be fooled, there will still be plenty of preachers on T.V.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
If you see these things come to pass, especially a bunch of Christians and children disappear you might want to read about what will happen next in the last book of the bible.

Breathtaking.
 
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