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The President comments on undocumented workers.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Enoch07, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Enoch07

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    No fluff going straight to the quote.

    "We are a nation of laws. Undocumented workers broke our laws and I believe they must be held accountable. Especially those who may be dangerous. That's why over the last 6 years deportations of criminals are up 80% and we're going to keep focusing on threats to our security."

    Seems clean cut and straightforward to me. No derogatory words there.

    Is this racist? If so please explain how and why.
     
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  2. Lyndon

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    President Trump doesn't have a non racist bone in his body!!
     
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    Nothing intrinsically racist in this passage.

    Still, he is a racist. Because of all the other racist things he's said.
     
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    Surely orange man is not as bad as some purport him to be.
     
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    Like what?
     
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    It's not racist, it's enforcing the law -- which is to some extent his job through allocating resources and people to these tasks.

    It's also worth noting that in his policies he's generally not "rounding up everyone" and rarely if ever enforcing immigration on otherwise innocent people -- the thrust of his efforts have mostly been in regard to people who are criminals or who failed to show up to court for asylum/immigration hearings. To me, that policy is too lax -- I view all illegal immigrants (regardless of origin and ethnicity) as criminals by default. No other country would put up with this silliness nor should we.

    It's also worth noting that Trump's support with African-American and Hispanic voters whom are legal immigrants has gone way up, mostly because now they're financially getting some where. It's more likely that the "jobs stolen" are being stolen from legal Hispanic immigrants more than anyone else. If he was so overtly racist they'd not support him.
     
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  7. fantome profane

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    No, this statement is not racist. The only thing I would add is that they should also go after employers who knowingly employ undocumented workers. And even employers who fail to do their due diligence.


    And of course occasionally saying something that is not racist is not a defence against the charge of racism. Saying that an American citizen should go back where she came from is a racist statement. As are dozens of other things Trump has said.
     
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    I don't know that anyone is saying that he's overtly racist. He might be a soft racist. I never did put much stock in the comparisons of Trump to Hitler, but maybe he's closer to Archie Bunker. If Hitler is a hard racist, then Archie Bunker and Trump might be examples of soft racists, or "racist lite."

    That may be part of the issue, since the current narrative seems to imply that unless someone is 100% "pure" on this issue, they're just as bad as Hitler. The insinuation is that "racist" = "Hitler" = "deplorable." This is why the response to such a charge leads to the conclusion that "since Trump is not as bad as Hitler, therefore he is not racist."

    The current dialog ostensibly implies that racism is an "either/or" proposition, suggesting that if someone isn't 0% racist, it automatically means that they're 100% racist and a genocidal maniac (Hitler). That's why discussions about race in America usually tend to go haywire like this.

    As for immigration, part of the problem are the immigration laws themselves and the government's overall refusal to implement any real reforms or changes to the law. But previous administrations weren't really enforcing the law. They were treating it with a nod and a wink, while understanding that to enforce the law to its fullest extent would be unfeasible and politically inexpedient.

    But then, they didn't do much to actually change the law, so now we have a situation where Trump says "I'm going to enforce the law," and people are responding "No, wait! You can't do that!"
     
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    There are plenty of verifiable sources at the bottom (260 to be exact, including Trump himself! Pretty cool, right?) You asked, it's there.
     
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    Please explain how this president is racist for saying what he said in the OP.
     
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    Melania broke U.S. law when she worked here illegally because she didn't obtain a work visa, so shouldn't she have been considered an "undocumented worker"?

    But I got a compromise solution: let her stay but deport her husband. Problem solved.

    In regards to the OP, no, I don't consider the quote to be racist. As a matter of fact, if my memory is correct (a dubious claim, I know), I believe Obama said something much along the same line.
     
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  14. fantome profane

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    That is the Obama quote.
     
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    Thanks, as I thought it could be from him. I figured that it couldn't possibly be from Trump since it contained words with more than four letters.
     
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    Congratulations to the ones that looked it up on the internet. Let's see how those that didn't immediately look it up on the net before forming their opinion did.



    Credit to the ones that mentioned it was not an overtly racist comment, but may be considered that way due to previous comments. Fair enough.

    I think its shows that other than objective racist language. Accusations of racism are false because it's so subjective.
     
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    I did not look it up on the initially. I believed that it was a Trump quote. You did fool me (for a while) , so congratulations.

    When I made my first post in this thread (#7) I was still under the impression that this was Trump, and I said it was not racist. And if you look through this thread you will see that the other critics of Trump also thought it was not racist. So if your hypothesis was that we would all call it racist because we don’t like Trump, that has been proven false.
     
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  18. Enoch07

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    You didn't watch the video then did ya? ;)

    The test sample was small here on the net, as I expected it to be with people being able to research it before posting a response. But without that benefit many more people automatically assumed it was racist based purely on that 1 comment, as the video shows.
     
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    Nope. It is too easy to edit a video to get the results you want. You can get 100 thoughtful intelligent responses, and 10 idiots. And just make a video of the 10 idiots.

    So small sample size or not, your little test proved that the people on this board do not automatically call something racist. Good job.
     
  20. Enoch07

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    Nah I think the point is proven sufficiently. You even admitted at first you wanted to call it racist. Although I find it funny how you refuse to call out Ilhan or Rashid's comments as racist. Very interesting.
     
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